scottpe
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Don't think, just drive. ;)
Seriously, take both cars for a test drive and then decide which fits your personal preference. They will feel very different, you can be sure of that.
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Seriously, take both cars for a test drive and then decide which fits your personal preference. They will feel very different, you can be sure of that.
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The dodge does have some killer looks and unlike the camaro, the interior is nice too. My beef with dodge is their history for the last decade. I see them making great looking new cars now but I just don't think I could pay that much for a Chrysler product. That's just me being weird though. I'm sure their reliability is pretty good now.
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Yeah I read about the Whipple. And that is where I am leaning. But I like to do my own work (As much as my light skills can handle). But to get warranty it must be installed by an ASE mechanic. And just from the quotes I got from a blower install on my 05 GT (From $700 to $2500) it is yet another added expense. And while I dont like to question the warranty since I never had to deal with it, I know it has a cap ($9000 I think) and Im not sure if this would cover all expenses for an engine failure including all parts and all labor. (Since labor quotes vary so much from place to place) But then again I guess any warranty is better than the no warranty I had on my 05 GT blower install.Yeah, you might want to check this out: http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/2015-5-0-1513.html
700HP and optional 5 year powertrain warranty. Yeah, maybe it won't be tuned to the ragged edge, but I bet it'll get you into the high 10s with drag radials (and A/C even), which seemed to be your aspiration, based on your previous post. ;)
Just because their 600RWHP car runs mid-11s does not mean it is optimized for drag racing by any means. Sure it does a very respectable job of it, but the car is also engineered to handle. Compromises are made to accomplish that. They could easily squeeze better E/Ts out of the car if they were willing to sacrifice other aspects of its performance. The Hellcat does not need to pretend to be anything but a pure straight line burner. A one dimensional car is easier to optimize for its intended task.
Last time I checked, the Boss 302, a car purpose built for the twisties, has a SRA as well. Hmmm... ;)
They needed a better chassis to reintroduce the IRS. Now they have one, and low and behold, IRS is back, and here to stay. Pretty certain the GT500's replacement will have IRS too.
And to me the GT500 is about as optimized for drag racing as its customer base will allow and without adding a higher price to an already high price tag. I dont know if it would stand if it had soft drag race suspension and was stripped down without radio, AC, a back seat(If any Mustang can call it that). And if they used lighter weight materials price would go up. Granted people with coin will buy it if they want it at any price but there the Mustang needs to remember that its a sports car for the masses.
Boss 302 is SRA because thats what all current Mustangs are. As good as it is it would of been better all round with IRS. Once again price for an IRS BOSS is not justifiable.
It just seems that Dodge has hit a homerun with the best drag racing pony car you can get and Fanboyism makes it so people cant just appreciate it. If these 1/4 mile times are true and Joe Blow can duplicate it at the drag strip then to me the Challenger is insane. It is what Dodge says it is... The most powerful, quickest, fastest muscle car(I dont think any of the three pony cars are muscle cars from a 60-70s standpoint, but I guess today they are) ever made. And if I had the money right now I would be hard pressed between it and a GT500 just because of the 8 speed auto. I have had 3 Mustangs and its by far my favorite car. But to have an auto car that will be so much more consistent in the 1/4 mile (Which is what I do, I have never road raced and dont plan on it) that can run 10s with a simple wheel swap is for me. And the car is backed by a factory warranty.
GMAN6
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Personally, I don't think it's legit.
Every time Dodge comes out with a new or improved car they (or maybe it's just the fanboys) always grossly overestimate performance. I don't know why, but many dodge fans consider a car stock if the heads have not been removed. I think they have been behind for so long that it's been ok for them to fudge on what is stock and not stock.
Just like they claim the stock 70 or 71 Challenger ram 13.2 stock. Many magazines during the time would be brought a car to test from Dodge and it would have drag radials and headers. Most people considered this stock at the time as the engine was mostly stock. If you look at other magazine tests from a few years later where the rounded up stok cars with stock tires, the roadrunners usually ran a little faster than the Challengers in stck form and were no faster than the 440 Magnums, because neither could get much traction and about the best time either could get was 14.0 to 14.2.
I may be proved wrong, maybe everyone that buys one will go to the track and run 11.2 bone stock on stock tires but I just don't see it happening. The 8 speed will allow it to have lower first gearing in the transmission but will it be able to put that torque down? The GT 500 went up in rear gearing and improved it's 1/4 mile time. Lower gearing really isn't the issue when you have 707 hp, it's all about being able to put it to the ground and I just don't see it happening with those tires.
I've been wrong before, but I'll believe it when I see it.
PsyopGoat
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I actually hope it does break records because I'm an American car fan. I'm not a homer for any particular brand.
With that said, the amount of **** talking and puffery I see on challengertalk.com over the Hellcat is astounding. It would be disappointing if the Hellcat failed to live up to the hype, but at the same time, it would be hilarious to watch that place go nuclear.
There's a lot of whining about "bias" from car magazines, and no doubt that will be their angle.
PS, I've been considering the '15 392 Shaker Challenger, and that forum is almost talking me out of it before I even get to see one in person.
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Gman11Gt
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It's an official time, 10.85 on street legal drag radials. Dam, this thing is a beast. I sure hope they offer the drop tubes. This thing will be completely bad azz. I mean really bad azz. Big, bad, and loud and all muscle car era inspired. However, that interior is great looking for this type of car.
Yea, the 8speed auto is the difference. Finely tuned to spit out lightning quick shifts at the precise RPMS that results in some serious effieciency.
Just think if Ford brings something similar with the Mustang with a more efficient auto trans and with that huge weight advantage over the SRT. Could be a low 10 second car right out of the factory;) with a nice SC 5.2 spitting out 720hp;)
Yea, the 8speed auto is the difference. Finely tuned to spit out lightning quick shifts at the precise RPMS that results in some serious effieciency.
Just think if Ford brings something similar with the Mustang with a more efficient auto trans and with that huge weight advantage over the SRT. Could be a low 10 second car right out of the factory;) with a nice SC 5.2 spitting out 720hp;)
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Gman11Gt
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meh, the Hellcat is a daily driver that gets into the 10's. That's awesome if you ask me, officially its quicker then the Gt500.
Personally, this is the best looking, most powerful muscle car ever produced. They really sold me on the sucking sound of that SC through the front headlight opening. lol
Personally, this is the best looking, most powerful muscle car ever produced. They really sold me on the sucking sound of that SC through the front headlight opening. lol
newmoon
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Dodge advertised 12:40s with the 11-392 Challenger, most called the time BS, the car has proven to be a 12:40s and quicker machine in good conditions. For the 15 392 they state low 12s. I think it will run their number no problem.
I think the same will be the case with the Hellcat. Sure you will see some bad passes just like we see 13-sec passes with the ZL1 and mid 12s with the 500, these are not indicators of the car's performance, just indicators of bad drivers and track prep. You will also see faster than advertised passes just as we have with the ZL1 & 500. Rumor has the Dodge engineers running a 10:58 @ 130-mph with DRs at a closed track rental.
I think the same will be the case with the Hellcat. Sure you will see some bad passes just like we see 13-sec passes with the ZL1 and mid 12s with the 500, these are not indicators of the car's performance, just indicators of bad drivers and track prep. You will also see faster than advertised passes just as we have with the ZL1 & 500. Rumor has the Dodge engineers running a 10:58 @ 130-mph with DRs at a closed track rental.
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Do not count any DR runs. Speak to any challenger owner over at ChallengerTalk. If you bring up any car that has been tweaked by aftermarket they will run at you with torches saying "THE HELLCAT IS FACTORY STOCK ACHIEVING 707HP." so only take factory stock numbers for everything then. DRs are not a factory option so those times don't count due to how they want to defend the car.
I can't wait to see the Hellcat in the "Average" drivers hands. Fiat..i mean Dodge is notorious for posting amazing numbers that even the Automatic has a hard time achieving...
newmoon
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Average drivers will be interesting especially in the manual car. The automatic should be straight forward, my 12:40s in my 12-392 were achieved launching at 1000-rpms with the TC on, it gave me 1:80-1:90s 60' every pass. Launching without computer help it ran 12:90s. I imagine the system is better on the Hellcat.
I have said that before,that the Dirty Old Dusty Generic Engine,that was used may be a RINGER car.Garbage Motors does that alot.I remember on camaro5,some guys were talking about how the zl1 was slower than what chevy was saying.The fat cat is a tug boat with 707hp,and it would be interesting to see what the fatcat can do that a person buys against the GT500.:lol:
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