Livernois or Cobb Tune?

[Jake]

Nothing but great things are said about Livernois or Tune+ except for what they say about each other. Sounds like for daily driver and casual use, either one would be great (not to mention Lund, Unleashed, and others). The Cobb AP has a rad interface and some cool things to play with. I realized when I had an AP in my WRX that I tend to set it and forget it, so that stuff doesn't really factor in for me. I have to appreciate what all of the tuners are doing on these cars though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[Tony Alonso]

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[Roidrage]

Yup, had a WRX with Cobb AP (Bren E-tune) and then a GTI with Unitronic OTS tune. So I have played quite a bit with E-tunes and professional OTS (Canned) tunes. At the end of the day, they both work. It's just a matter of preference. If you trust your tuner enough to disregard the E-tune/ data logging that is perfectly fine as long as they are good and sell a good product.

Both methods of tuning have there advantages and disadvantages, ranging from cost, time commitment, amount of effort from the buyers side and so forth.

I really don't understand what all this bickering is about. Adam + LMS have added so much credibility to the Ecoboost platform, that we should be greatful to have either. We get enough shit from the V8 fanboys and the rest of the other platforms, it just amazes me at how much bickering we still do among us.

The simple matter is that if you want a more involved tune with higher cost/commitment/ overall customization and possibility of power, get a Adam (or any other) E-tune / Dyno tune.

If you want a solid set it and forget it tune with lower cost, lower commitment, with moderate customization go with a OTS/ Canned (LMS) tune (they are the best in this space bar none).

I'll be honest and eventually if time, money and with additional mods allow, I will probably get myself a dyno tune from a local well known tuner vs. a E-tune/OTS tune. But for now, LMS does a great job and their tune is solid as all hell.

So let's just try to play nice and support our platform vs. fighting over differences in methodology on tuning.

Nothing but great things are said about Livernois or Tune+ except for what they say about each other. Sounds like for daily driver and casual use, either one would be great (not to mention Lund, Unleashed, and others). The Cobb AP has a rad interface and some cool things to play with. I realized when I had an AP in my WRX that I tend to set it and forget it, so that stuff doesn't really factor in for me. I have to appreciate what all of the tuners are doing on these cars though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[CoyoteFiveO]

Adam from Tune+ would be my first choice!

 

[stang77]

This thread is getting way off topic. It was designed to answer the question of which tuner to go with. All three of the big name tuners know what they are doing. No questioning that at all. If you prefer a certain tuner to the other then fine. Say your peace and leave it at that. Don't take shots at other tuners.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

We have not, are not nor will we ever discredit anyone's methodology of tuning. We want to make that abundantly clear! We are okay with the vitriol that we get thrown our way by other vendors...that just means that we aren't the only ones that know we are the best ;-)

All that we are saying is that with all of the experience, proprietary technology and bevy of test vehicles that we have at our disposal we do not need datalogging. We have many different ways to test our tunes, products and vehicles long before a release of any tuning or parts. Think about it, why is it that Ford, GM and Fiat Chrysler of America do not ask you to buy $20 parts to monitor their tuning? Same reason we do not.

Now does that mean that we will never allow for logging VIA our tuning interface, no. If we were to come out with an all new tuner could that be a future attribute, sure. At this point we feel that our tuning capabilities are still far superior in all facets.

We will and do inspect logs at client's requests as we have done for years. We will never turn down a reasonable tuning tweak request. THAT IS HOW WE GET IDEA WHEN WE MAKE NEW TUNING VERSIONS! So to say that we are inferior because we do not want you to stare at gauges while you are supposed to be driving is not fair. Nor does it contribute anything credible to the forum.

We appreciate all of the recommendations and compliments from everyone who did so. We are grateful for all of you whom decide to entrust your investments with us. We promise to always provide the best, most safe and most importantly the most reliable tuning and product support on the market!

If any of you have other questions as always you can contact me directly VIA PM here, phone (313-561-5500 ext.102), or email! Thank you again for commenting, following, and choosing to shop with Livernois Motorsports!

 

[jjsotolongo]

Who you go with at the end of the day is up to you. Just be aware of why you are paying certain premiums for things. Cobb pro tuning is the most expensive choice, but gets you the most features by far and with regards to flash speed both tuners should be quick after the initial flash to load factory ECU data (my Cobb flashes in less than a minute).

After that you have to factor your upgrade path. Adam will tune anything and everything whereas Livernoise will tune you for their respective stages. Both tunes are safe and both have very fast cars though achieved through different methods.

Figure out if the Cobb's features are worth it to you and if you are going to mod passed the point where you would require a custom tune (turbo upgrades or alternate fuels) and you will have your answer.

 

[Roidrage]

To add to Livernois's post. Look at most of the European tuning community. APR, REVO, Unitronic etc etc. They are majority ruled by OTS tuners using their own proprietary platforms. They all make crazy power and are crazy reliable as well. It has been shown many K04 GTI's running OTS tunes dominate the stock Coyote's. Is OTS the best way to achieve your goal? Maybe, maybe not, but they do work if under the proper guidance.

Case in point is, there are many different ways to achieve a goal. Keeping an open mind to be objective against the given results is the key to success.

 

[Tune+]

This thread has been cleaned up regarding the interactions between two of the forum vendors.

But you left a post of theirs stating that I'm wrong, which is not accurate. If you are going to clean up the post, delete every post that has a vendor replying to another.

 

[Tune+]

Yup, had a WRX with Cobb AP (Bren E-tune) and then a GTI with Unitronic OTS tune. So I have played quite a bit with E-tunes and professional OTS (Canned) tunes. At the end of the day, they both work. It's just a matter of preference. If you trust your tuner enough to disregard the E-tune/ data logging that is perfectly fine as long as they are good and sell a good product.

Both methods of tuning have there advantages and disadvantages, ranging from cost, time commitment, amount of effort from the buyers side and so forth.

I really don't understand what all this bickering is about. Adam + LMS have added so much credibility to the Ecoboost platform, that we should be greatful to have either. We get enough shit from the V8 fanboys and the rest of the other platforms, it just amazes me at how much bickering we still do among us.

The simple matter is that if you want a more involved tune with higher cost/commitment/ overall customization and possibility of power, get a Adam (or any other) E-tune / Dyno tune.

If you want a solid set it and forget it tune with lower cost, lower commitment, with moderate customization go with a OTS/ Canned (LMS) tune (they are the best in this space bar none).

I'll be honest and eventually if time, money and with additional mods allow, I will probably get myself a dyno tune from a local well known tuner vs. a E-tune/OTS tune. But for now, LMS does a great job and their tune is solid as all hell.

So let's just try to play nice and support our platform vs. fighting over differences in methodology on tuning.

That is still available through me, for cheaper as well I might add not to mention the additional features I posted on the first page.

Cobb Accessport (Currently $450.00 shipped, $500 shipped normally) + my Single tune, which is your "set it and forget it" but I still require a datalog to make sure the car is performing optimally.

http://adamtuned.com/collections/20...-2-3l-ecoboost-turbo-mustang-single-tune-file

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

On the other hand our MyCalibrator tuner holds your stock AND 4 custom tunes at the same time on the device! We do not charge for files, updates or revisions! Once you buy our MyCal tuner you buy the device, our tuning AND our ongoing tuning support. So why pay for a tuner and 1 tune then pay even more later for more tunes. When you can invest better for what is basically unlimited tuning?

 

[Tune+]

Why pay $100.00 more for a tune not catered to your vehicle? There is no guesswork with the purchase of an Accessport, you have live data in your face! Not to mention you can switch through the 5 stored maps on the fly without having to shut down the car and sitting for 10 minutes to flash!

I don't manufacturer or sell the Accessport, so all my information is from experience. I have used HPT w/nGauge, SCT, and Cobb on the Ecoboost Mustang and other vehicles. All these devices support datalogging, but Cobb is by far the best hands down.

 

[Tune+]

It goes back and forth, and always has. Again, I don't manufacturer the product in discussion (Accessport) I simply use it. I didn't say my services were better, in any way.

 

[stang77]

It goes back and forth, and always has. Again, I don't manufacturer the product in discussion (Accessport) I simply use it. I didn't say my services were better, in any way.

It all boils down to whom a customer wishes to use. Both compaines have achieved amazing results with this platform .

 

[Roidrage]

Well for me I don't mind the fact of canned OTS tunes. Like I said I have used many in my VW GTI days and the best ones were comparable (if not better) to those dyno & E-tunes (datalogged).

Reference: http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30370

From my GTI days, I've learned that many newer ECM/ECU's can auto config/adjust to the changing environments and Canned/OTS tunes built by good tuners can tune without data-logging. That is just by preference. Therefore, if I'm going to use a canned tune, I'm going with Livernois, who is the best at this.

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