Steeda CAI vs K&N CAI

[The Menace]

Nice. You've got to be quick shifting with the manual to get into a 3rd gear burnout. I'm curious what your 1/4 mile time will be with practice. I got beat by a 2013 manual. He supposedly had cai, tune, cat back. Ran 12.30 something. It sounded lazy at the line with 3inch exhaust but manuals can skip past the dead spot.

Well the new Barton makes for some quick precise shifts that is for sure. But it was more of just a chirp into 3rd nothing crazy... I hate running ATs just Cuz there is no human error. But I love the MT too much to give it up. I'm more of a twisties guy verses a straight line.

Running some quick data logs this weekend and see how the car is running. Right now it feels good so we'll see after I send in the data and see what they come back with.

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[Cascadia_302]

I will be putting this same thing in my build thread but thought this should have its own thread for those trying to decide between these two Cold Air Intakes.

Okay so I received and installed my new Steeda Cold Air Intake.

I mean just look at this quality Velocity Stack




Before and after together. Notice the K&N sensor connection is on the opposite side of the Steeda and Factory location. You need a supplied pigtail wire harness to get you there with the K&N... Not sire why they did that?

Agree, I like the Steeda velocity stack design but in your opinion how much stretch is on the MAF wiring with the Steeda?

 

[The Menace]

Agree, I like the Steeda velocity stack design but in your opinion how much stretch is on the MAF wiring with the Steeda?

It is not that bad once I figured out to clip the piece that secures the wire into The side of the Steeda Air box....

You can actually see in that picture it was not connected yet.

 

[Carlosa_garcia]

The steeda airbox actually has two holes to clip the wiring in. The one you mentioned and a second one that is on the core support. Moving that to the airbox gives you a little more slack.

 

[redline727]

It is not that bad once I figured out to clip the piece that secures the wire into The side of the Steeda Air box....

You can actually see in that picture it was not connected yet.

Do you still have the pigtail from the K&N intake? I would like to purchase it from you. I really like my JLT but still think there is slightly too much tension on the MAF harness. And I have it ran the best way with the most slack. Just would like the added piece of mind. Thanks! Feel free to PM if you still have and we can talk price.

 

[Sasuketr]

This thread is so confusing! Steeda claims 22 whp without tune, gain across the entire rpm range! How in the world the car is slower with steeda intake plus tune? People get intakes and tunes to get 22 whp. We need a clarification on this.

 

[cognizantphotos]

Reading comprehension not your thing? 22rwhp intake (with restrictor) and without tune, 30rwhp intake (without restrictor) and with tune.

This thread is so confusing! Steeda claims 22 whp without tune, gain across the entire rpm range! How in the world the car is slower with steeda intake plus tune? People get intakes and tunes to get 22 whp. We need a clarification on this.

 

[cognizantphotos]

or just use my results as an example

Latest update: we just had [MENTION=16280]cognizantphotos[/MENTION] 2016 PP GT in the shop for some dyno tuning, he brought his car to us with only long tube headers and exhaust (untuned) and wanted a dyno tune for his headers and yet to be installed restrictorless Steeda CAI.

With long tubes and exhaust, Joe's car put down 405 rwhp and 359 ft./lbs. tq. - again this was with no tune.

We popped in our Steeda CAI without the restrictor and started working on a tune to also accommodate Joe's long tubes. Our tuning mindset strives for great drivability with maximum (safe) power.

We're definitely pleased with the final results: 442 rwhp and 399 ft./lbs. tq.! Testing was done in a controlled environment with IAT 10 degrees above ambient and cylinder head temps right at 200 degrees for all pulls.

I'm including a couple additional dyno sheets to show both low RPM gains and high RPM gains. At 3,000 RPM you can see a 61 ft./lb. tq. increase and right at 6,700 RPM you can see a 47 rwhp and 36 ft./lbs. tq. increase!

These are stout numbers and we're happy with the gains, we know Joe will be as well - especially with how amazing the drivability is.

Videos to come shortly. PS - Kooks long tubes with Borla exhaust sounds amazing, especially at WOT.

Before and After:


Low RPM Gains:


High RPM Gains:


Link to Steeda's S550 CAI offerings

 

[Evo_Rob]

Dude. I get it you're proud, but how many times are you going to post your dyno sheet? You had headers without a tune and then you had the CAI installed and then a proper tune done. Don't mistake all those gains as being just from the CAI. It's already been stated that for proper gauge of how the CAI did, you should've been tuned for just the headers and then add the CAI into the tune with dynos for both occasions. The headers alone have been proven to really open up the motor.

 

[Jeff's FRC]

Agreed^^^

Almost looks like he's on Steeda's payroll:shrug:

 

[Evo_Rob]

I figured if I was getting annoyed, others were, too, but were being nice

 

[Sasuketr]

Reading comprehension not your thing? 22rwhp intake (with restrictor) and without tune, 30rwhp intake (without restrictor) and with tune.

The Menace claims stock airbox with aem drop in to be the better and faster setup. Where did that 22 whp go during his runs?

 

[2015 Silver GT]

I figured if I was getting annoyed, others were, too, but were being nice

Trust me others are getting annoyed as well.

 

[The Menace]

The Menace claims stock airbox with aem drop in to be the better and faster setup. Where did that 22 whp go during his runs?

Hey now that was not me who claimed that. That was another member. Obviously the track is the proving ground over a dyno sheet but at the same time I do not recall that member posting his track slip? Reaction time could play a big part in his runs? Maybe not but he did not specify and I did not ask. At the end of the day I know my car is fast, it soumds better and it feels better when I am driving it. I am not out street racing for money or racing the strip for times at this point.

So to clear things up

I said this.... However this was before the revised Tune I got a few weeks ago. Still need to do some logging and get back to Matt and let him check out my parameters. But I have been busy.

Sorry i missed this one i have been swamped at work.

Yes hands down much better than the K&N very happy with it, glad i made the switch.

I have no stumble, but i have the restrictor removed and their tune.

I notice it is not as aggressive of a tune as i had with the K&N and VMP Tune BUT it has more top end power than the VMP one. I have not Dyno Data to back that up but just what i feel while driving the freeways.

Hope this helps

This was from another member not me... I think this is what you are referring too about stock runs. And again he had a better run BUT also had not CATs so right there is most likely the gain. Weight reduction lol and horsepower gains from no cats...

Yeah I've ran all the combos. Steeda insert out 12.91, insert in 12.73, never ran at the track with k&n cai. I could tell on the street that the low end still wasn't as good as the stock air box but I was better than than steeda (no longer had that stumble when I launched). As of 2 weeks ago, best combo yet is stock air box/aem panel filter and no cats/2.5 inch exhaust all the way, x-pipe borla resonator...12.54 @ 112.66, picked up 2mph in the 1/8 so it wasn't just the exhaust that made the difference. If you have a manual, you might actually be better off with the steeda cai. I believe it does make a couple of more HP midrange and up. I've ran the same steeda insert in/out tunes during those track runs.

 

[The Menace]

Dude. I get it you're proud, but how many times are you going to post your dyno sheet? You had headers without a tune and then you had the CAI installed and then a proper tune done. Don't mistake all those gains as being just from the CAI. It's already been stated that for proper gauge of how the CAI did, you should've been tuned for just the headers and then add the CAI into the tune with dynos for both occasions. The headers alone have been proven to really open up the motor.

Agreed headers and cats are majors power restrictors. I think that was why David made a point to say the car had headers and was not tuned.

I have heard that Steeda put on a little show at Pony Wars outdoors on a 3rd party dyno and ran all the competitive CAIs against theirs and won... I have not seen any video proof to back this up but I am sure there is something out there. Hear say I know...

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