What's So Bad About the Performance Package?

[Phlyguy]

brakes are worth it by themselves.

I'm in total agreement...those brakes could stop a Democrat from spending! :lol:

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[OppoLock]

Avantgarde M580's. These are 20x8.5+30 and 20x10+43 for a flush fit. With the polished finish these run $2150 including shipping. With their regular powdered coated finish it is $1800.

Thanks for the info bruh! They're like my favorite wheels (HRE P101) only a metric fuck-ton cheaper. Glad to know about these...

I would totally do a powder coated finish. Oddly enough, I feel like the one you posted has a polished face with chrome valleys?

 

[KP6Five]

This. The big one here especially for manuals is will it be so low that it forces you to shift to 5th in the 1/4. That will affect time and maybe slower. Best gear is lowest one that will put you crossing the line at top of 4th gear, generally.

That is correct that would be ideal. However we are talking about 3.55's vs 3.73's. I don't know of anyone except the Turbo or SC guys that would be running 3.55's. Not sure you would hit fifth gear if you don't spin and shift at 7k on these cars. Talking about with a tune. When it warms up I'm sure I will take mine out and run a few times. I will be helping my brother this year with Helleanor so I'm sure I will get a chance to run it at a few different tracks. Should be fun...

 

[BmacIL]

Dead Serious... You're telling me they couldn't have put an option for some Pirelli P Zero Nero A/S or some Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's? Yeah they could have for us that have a winter or colder winter temps. I live in Oklahoma and I could have all 4 seasons in one week. I don't live up north and have my igloo plan with my winter tires with studs stored at my local rubber peddler, ready to change out for the season. hahaha... SMH...

Putting all season tires on a car OPTIONED with a factory performance pack (because you know, you want performance), is a bit like making a sprinter run a race with sandals. If you really wanted all seasons you should have not selected the option. Ford isn't going to offer those tires with a track pack because they are far below what the chassis is capable of and negates what all the cool hardware included in the package does for you.

 

[dgc333]

A clutch-type limited slip differential has clutch plates -- think like the clutch in a manual transmission -- which start to engage when one wheel is turning faster than the other wheel. Like a clutch in a transmission, it allows some slippage, will eventually wear out over time, and doesn't actually distribute torque so much as just partially lock the wheels.

That's not quite how a clutch type limited slip works.

The clutches are always engaged so both wheels recieve equal torque as long as there is nothing causing one wheel to want to turn faster than the other such as going around a corner which creats a torque difference. When the torque difference exceeds the clamping force of the clutch they slip allowing one wheel to turn faster than the other. It's this slipping that is the reason for friction modifier in clutch type limited slips. It ensures the clutches don't stick and when the do the slip occurs smoothly.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

That's not quite how a clutch type limited slip works.

The clutches are always engaged so both wheels recieve equal torque as long as there is nothing causing one wheel to want to turn faster than the other such as going around a corner which creats a torque difference. When the torque difference exceeds the clamping force of the clutch they slip allowing one wheel to turn faster than the other. It's this slipping that is the reason for friction modifier in clutch type limited slips. It ensures the clutches don't stick and when the do the slip occurs smoothly.

Right.

Or, more pertinently for me, when there's a grip difference between both wheels (such as when one wheel is in a zero-traction situation on ice or mud or is lifted off the ground from an uneven parking spot... as will happen when you park on a snow drift which then partially melts in unexpected ways).

 

[KP6Five]

Putting all season tires on a car OPTIONED with a factory performance pack (because you know, you want performance), is a bit like making a sprinter run a race with sandals. If you really wanted all seasons you should have not selected the option. Ford isn't going to offer those tires with a track pack because they are far below what the chassis is capable of and negates what all the cool hardware included in the package does for you.

Hahaha... Your opinion...and you have the right to it... However... I know tires... I will have Michelin's on the car by the end of summer. Trust me the Mich's will perform better than those Pirelli summers... SMH... :headbonk:

 

[foghat]

I wouldnt be so sure of that. The PP car likely has 200 pounds of extra weight if its a premium.

You can get PP on base. So there is the test. Stock base vs. pp base.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Hahaha... Your opinion...and you have the right to it... However... I know tires... I will have Michelin's on the car by the end of summer. Trust me the Mich's will perform as good as those Pirelli summers... SMH... :headbonk:

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's are the only A/S tire that can compete with even the worst summer-only tire. And they're more expensive than the PZeros.

 

[BmacIL]

Hahaha... Your opinion...and you have the right to it... However... I know tires... I will have Michelin's on the car by the end of summer. Trust me the Mich's will perform better than those Pirelli summers... SMH... :headbonk:

As are you, of course. No disputing the Michelin A/S 3 is quite a high performing tire, but I was arguing the principle of including a performance summer tire without the option for an A/S. Michelin Pilot Super Sports would have made a much better tire for the performance pack (my opinion) and would blow away the A/S 3 on an autocross or track. I've owned the prior A/S Plus and they are not even close to the Super Sport for performance driving.

 

[KP6Five]

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's are the only A/S tire that can compete with even the worst summer-only tire. And they're more expensive than the PZeros.

You Sir are correct... Way to do your Google homework before posting. lol They perform better than what's on the car now with the benefits of some light snow traction, and wear twice as long. Why wouldn't I put them on? Not only that I can get the Michelin's cheaper than the Pirelli's. lol I would even venture to say with my experience that most of the wheel hop will be gone as well. The rubber compound on these Pirelli's are terrible.

 

[KP6Five]

As are you, of course. No disputing the Michelin A/S 3 is quite a high performing tire, but I was arguing the principle of including a performance summer tire without the option for an A/S. Michelin Pilot Super Sports would have made a much better tire for the performance pack (my opinion) and would blow away the A/S 3 on an autocross or track. I've owned the prior A/S Plus and they are not even close to the Super Sport for performance driving.

LoL... I'm not setting this car up for autocrossing or I would put the SS's on there. It's safe to say and the point I was making is that... the AS3's would be better for my environment and not lose a drop of performance. Then gain twice the wear and can drive it safely when its under 40 degrees. Easy choice... So for someone to mouth off " I hope you're not serious? " Should really educate themselves on tire technology. Especially mouthing off to someone that has 20+ years of experience in the business.

 

[SINBUSTER007]

So my other mustang is a 2012 boss. Similar setup as 15 pp so if 15 is so bad handling and feel then your saying the boss is bad to.?? I don't track either one but I like the feel of both. I think they both handle good and I like the extra grip when I drive. I would probably feel that the non pp gt would feel too soft in the suspension. Maybe you guys want a nice soft cushy feel but I like the feeling of my car sticking to the pavement in the turns. I did the boss track attack and was impressed with how the car handled so I guess not much else to say now.

 

[Sasuketr]

The only thing which i really don't call bad but sometimes bother me is the 3.73 gears. The first 3 gears go out so quickly, like if you start on first gear and put it on second gear, you still feel like you are on first gear. But as a package the PP has an amazing value ;)

 

[BmacIL]

LoL... I'm not setting this car up for autocrossing or I would put the SS's on there. It's safe to say and the point I was making is that... the AS3's would be better for my environment and not lose a drop of performance. Then gain twice the wear and can drive it safely when its under 40 degrees. Easy choice... So for someone to mouth off " I hope you're not serious? " Should really educate themselves on tire technology. Especially mouthing off to someone that has 20+ years of experience in the business.

I understand your viewpoint and respect your knowledge. I also agree that the pirellis included don't stack up to most of the competition in the max performance summer tire segment, and now a small selection of the ultra high performance A/S tires available. I've done my homework too and by no means do I have the experience you do, but I'm not ignorant to what's what and the options available. You are still not debating the principle of the decision by Ford to spec summer only tires on a performance pack car, rather only your specific case. Most participating here agree with the decision to do so. Whether we think Pirelli P Zeros are the tire it should have come with is a totally separate discussion.

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