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Sadly, I would take the Porsche over the other two. More refined and a lot easier to daily drive.
Those RS products are very much set up for track work, right of the showroom floor. Most reviews make mention of the brutal ride quality. Which is something I always find amusing because that is whole point of the RS models, performance first, street car comfort a very distant second. In any case, none of these vehicles are being daily driven, so comfort and livability are not a concern for those buying them................they will have Range Rover, Cayenne or Mercedes for that.

The corvette is just ugly and just terrible to get in and out of. Interior is not roomy to me at all. I cannot even reach over and touch my lady with that huge ass curved center console.
Right from the very beginning, my problem with the C8 is that it looks so generic. Nothing about the exterior design says "Corvette", in fact, to me it looks like one of those low-volume British sports cars built in an industrial park, think Nobel or Lotus. And that rear end is hideous, all because the marketing department insisted it should house a set of golf clubs for the high sock brigade and not the younger customers they were apparently aiming for. The whole car is a rolling contradiction.

And no matter if its the old pushrod lump, or the high revving flat plane engine, none of them sound good. Far, far, far too much fake engine noise being pumped through the audio system. Such a shame really.
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Sales plummeted. Camaro sold only 31,000 in 2023. Mustang is on the same path, having only sold 36,000 so far this year, with only two months left.

But remember the Camaro was only a few tenths behind the Mustang, even with 110hp less HP and being almost $20,000 cheaper.

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The Mustang should be compared to Black wing, BMW M series, AUDI, Challenger, Charger etc... When compared to its actual class, it's one of the top cars.

Corvette people thinking it's in the same class as their car simply because the Mustang is so much better than it used to be. Corvette has always been in a class higher than Mustang.

This is just an excuse Corvette owners like to use to make them feel better about their purchase. "Oh, I am faster than the top Mustang" Corvette has almost ALWAYS been faster than the top Mustang. Are we now saying that a Mustang somehow compares to a Corvette, to me that is Ridiculous because this is not a standard Mustang and the corvette is. The top Mustang is a GT500, this is a highly modified Mustang by a 3rd party company that used Fords platform.
 
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Right from the very beginning, my problem with the C8 is that it looks so generic. Nothing about the exterior design says "Corvette", in fact, to me it looks like one of those low-volume British sports cars built in an industrial park, think Nobel or Lotus. And that rear end is hideous, all because the marketing department insisted it should house a set of golf clubs for the high sock brigade and not the younger customers they were apparently aiming for. The whole car is a rolling contradiction.

And no matter if its the old pushrod lump, or the high revving flat plane engine, none of them sound good. Far, far, far too much fake engine noise being pumped through the audio system. Such a shame really.
I've never liked the looks of the C8, either. I'm old and actually do play golf, but fitting a golf bag in the car wouldn't be important because a Vette would never be my only vehicle.
 

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Why would you compare the Mustang to a four door like the black wing or m5?

C&D classifies the cars by price
 

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Why would you compare the Mustang to a four door like the black wing or m5?
Why would you compare the Mustang to a two seat, mid-engine car? Would not the better comparison be the GT?

Edit: and before you say, "the GTD has no back seat" that is not the platform the car is based off of.
 
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If someone were handing me the keys of one of these three for keeps, it would be the Porsche GT3RS.

I've been a Mustang guy for a long time, but I've always wanted a P-car since I built a model of a yellow '70s Carrera RS as a kid. Even a measly 911 Turbo S would suffice.
 

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Why would you compare the Mustang to a two seat, mid-engine car? Would not the better comparison be the GT?

Edit: and before you say, "the GTD has no back seat" that is not the platform the car is based off of.
C&D does theirs based on pricel

Although I can see classifying the cars based on weight or HP, it makes absolutely no sense to compare the Mustang to something like the Blackwing.
 

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C&D does theirs based on pricel
I guess I just do not agree with that.

If you used price and wanted to compare 0-60 times for example, the plaid would beat almost everything for the money, and I think that car is absolute garbage.
 

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Right from the very beginning, my problem with the C8 is that it looks so generic. Nothing about the exterior design says "Corvette", in fact, to me it looks like one of those low-volume British sports cars built in an industrial park, think Nobel or Lotus. And that rear end is hideous, all because the marketing department insisted it should house a set of golf clubs for the high sock brigade and not the younger customers they were apparently aiming for. The whole car is a rolling contradiction.

And no matter if its the old pushrod lump, or the high revving flat plane engine, none of them sound good. Far, far, far too much fake engine noise being pumped through the audio system. Such a shame really.
Couldn’t agree more on the Vette’s looks. That combine with no manual option make it an emotionless machine for me and never even a consideration (even the models I could afford lol)
 

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Why would you compare the Mustang to a two seat, mid-engine car? Would not the better comparison be the GT?

Edit: and before you say, "the GTD has no back seat" that is not the platform the car is based off of.
I don't understand why you're bothered by the comparison. Sure, base model to base model, the corvette and mustang are very different cars. But ZR1 vs GTD.... both have a ludicrous price, both have ludicrous specs, both are focused on lap times. It'd be nonsensical not to compare them.
 

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Price should be the only consideration when comparing vehicles. If one outperforms the other in some metric (or several) then it is the winner. But if a much more expensive car beats the cheaper car, well, it should because it costs more. If the cheaper car wins, then the higher priced vehicle simply isn't worth the price.

Like it or not, a Model S Plaid gives a lot for the money. a New Dark Horse however, does not.

The Corvette is clearly the best "value" for the money when talking about performance. None of these cars were built to be daily drivers or grocery getters, and anyone that can afford them, has at least one other vehicle. Just because they are street legal, doesn't mean they are street-able.
 

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All unbelievably bad ass vehicles. I'd probably still take the P car over all of them!!
 

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Price should be the only consideration when comparing vehicles. If one outperforms the other in some metric (or several) then it is the winner. But if a much more expensive car beats the cheaper car, well, it should because it costs more. If the cheaper car wins, then the higher priced vehicle simply isn't worth the price.

Like it or not, a Model S Plaid gives a lot for the money. a New Dark Horse however, does not.

The Corvette is clearly the best "value" for the money when talking about performance. None of these cars were built to be daily drivers or grocery getters, and anyone that can afford them, has at least one other vehicle. Just because they are street legal, doesn't mean they are street-able.

I have a baby Plaid. 2025 Model 3 performance. Easily the best commuter car ever and even better if you have free charging at work (I do). 600hp, 10 sec quarter mile and enough power at 60 mph to shock you and the passengers when you need to pass.

Great cars for the money!!
 

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I have a baby Plaid. 2025 Model 3 performance. Easily the best commuter car ever and even better if you have free charging at work (I do). 600hp, 10 sec quarter mile and enough power at 60 mph to shock you and the passengers when you need to pass.

Great cars for the money!!

Awesome. The new ones look great, and they completely revised the suspension, and finally put a decent seat in it. Ship it off to these guys, and get an absolute track weapon back.

https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/up-tesla-model-3-performance-rs-rocket-spec/

This cost includes the car. Setting a 1.33.9 at Laguna Seca is impressive.
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