Cobb got nailed by the EPA

[shogun32]

Oh crap I just posted here again. SMH

we're all Pavlov's dogs - coming back to the vomit for just one more taste.

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[K4fxd]

One big volcano and everything we do to prevent "climate change" goes out the window.

Remember the year without summer? Do they even teach that in school anymore?

 

[RocketGuy3]

Holy shit, the authors of the very article you guys keep posting in fact said the very thing I'm saying in the article you're posting:

"The range and distribution of GMST across the Phanerozoic also provide context for ongoing human-caused warming."​

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Yeah, as I suspected, those authors do not believe the same things you guys believe... And their research was not intended to be used as you think it was.

 

[shogun32]

Remember the year without summer? Do they even teach that in school anymore?

I'll bet they even had articles about some day in August being the hottest day of the year!!

 

[K4fxd]

And their research was not intended to be used as you think it was.

Right because their funding is dependent upon a man made climate change finding.

I would do the same thing, present all evidence that proves man has little to do with climate then add a disclaimer so I get the next check.

 

[RocketGuy3]

Right because their funding is dependent upon a man made climate change finding.

I would do the same thing, present all evidence that proves man has little to do with climate then add a disclaimer so I get the next check.

Ah yes, that explains the lack of evidence on your side. All the people capable of writing scientific research have been bought off by the gubmint.

 

[K4fxd]

I have not seen any real evidence from your side either, just computer models that have been wrong for 50 years or more. Hell they cannot accurately predict the storm track of a hurricane or the weather more than a few hours out.

I wonder if we should ban this?

Frequently Asked Questions About Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

For more detailed information, including precautions, disposal procedures and storage requirements, refer to one of the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) available for DHMO:

• Kemp Compliance & Safety MSDS for DHMO
• Chem-Safe, Inc. MSDS for Dihydrogen Monoxide
• Applied Petrochemical Research MSDS for Hydric Acid
• Original DHMrg Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Dihydrogen Monoxide (html)

Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.

Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner concluded that roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on dihydrogen monoxide. Although his results are preliminary, Zohner believes people need to pay closer attention to the information presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He adds that if more people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he conducted would not be necessary.

A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States.

Why haven't I heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide before?

Good question. Historically, the dangers of DHMO, for the most part, have been considered minor and manageable. While the more significant dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are currently addressed by a number of agencies including FDA, FEMA and CDC, public awareness of the real and daily dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide is lower than some think it should be.

Critics of government often cite the fact that many politicians and others in public office do not consider Dihydrogen Monoxide to be a "politically beneficial" cause to get behind, and so the public suffers from a lack of reliable information on just what DHMO is and why they should be concerned.

Part of the blame lies with the public and society at large. Many do not take the time to understand Dihydrogen Monoxide, and what it means to their lives and the lives of their families.

Unfortunately, the dangers of DHMO have increased as world population has increased, a fact that the raw numbers and careful research both bear out. Now more than ever, it is important to be aware of just what the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are and how we can all reduce the risks faced by ourselves and our families.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities. Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage. Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects. DHMO is a major component of acid rain. Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns. Contributes to soil erosion. Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals. Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits. Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes. Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions. Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks. Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S. Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

 

[sk47]

Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.

Hello; I was exposed to the gaseous form which resulted in a bad burn. Fortunately, on only a small portion of my skin.

 

[sk47]

All the people capable of writing scientific research have been bought off by the gubmint.

Hello; I apologize if this is a repeat of information, as i have only read this last page. A fact is there is an incentive plan of sorts when it comes to being able to get published with regard to scientific papers. In a different thread a link and s story was posted about this. I do not recall the member who posted about it. Made a stink for a day or few here and on the web. Not a big stink of course as few news sources picked up the story.
Anyway a fellow wanted ( perhaps needed) to be published so stuck an unneeded bit into his paper about manmade climate change. He added that sort of language in hopes his paper would be published. It worked if a recall correctly.
Again, if I recall correctly, he admitted at some point what we have suspected. That to get along in the science paper world you throw in what dogma is expected.
Maybe one of the sharper folks on here will recall and know how to search that out. It is not exactly being directly bought off. More that if you hope to get a grant you learn how to write up a grant proposal which pleases those who dole out the federal or state funds. I wrote a few grant proposals during my time as a science teacher.

 

[sk47]

Scientists raise concerns after first-of-its-kind weather event shakes Earth for 9 days: 'We are in uncharted waters' (msn.com)
Hello; Guess at some point I should read all the pages of this thread. While i do not know how the first pages went, it is morphed/sidetracked into a bit of climate discussion. A thing to consider is with a bit of effort many events can be tied to the climate in some way. A few will have a direct correlation to be sure. Others seem fanciful at best.

The above story tries to tie collapse of a land mass to climate change. I do not quickly dismiss the connection but will want to know more. A thing is there is an eons long history of struggle between forces which uplift geologic features (plate tectonics for one) and gravity which brings the features down. Pretty sure bits of hills and mountains have been falling down even long before humans started burning fossil fuels.

Trying to tie these sorts of events to "human caused climate change" in a popular thing currently. Back many thousands of years ago as the last ice age was ending, and the glaciers were retreating a huge glacial lake formed. The ice was very thick, maybe a mile or more in places, so this glacial lake was held back by an ice dam. I think it has been named Lake Bonneville. Humans were around at the time likely burning wood and dry animal dung.
The world climate was changing naturally. The ice was melting. At a point the ice dam could not hold back the water and broke away. If memory serves the huge volume of water scoured away the land down to rock layers. Created the badlands, I think in North Dakota maybe. Whatever the location the scars remain to this day.

 

[sk47]

Trying to tie these sorts of events to "human caused climate change" in a popular thing currently. Back many thousands of years ago as the last ice age was ending, and the glaciers were retreating a huge glacial lake formed. The ice was very thick, maybe a mile or more in places, so this glacial lake was held back by an ice dam. I think it has been named Lake Bonneville.

Bonneville flood - Wikipedia
Hello; have to correct myself it seems. Got some parts wrong. Note to self - do the search first.

The Missoula and Bonneville floods—A review of ice-age megafloods in the Columbia River basin | U.S. Geological Survey (usgs.gov)

 

[CrazyHippie]

I didn't even see anything you posted in this thread, so it's telling that you assume I'm talking about you... I probably am lol.

My only conspiracy theory is: climate change is real, and there are things humans need to do to address it... Although while I think EVs are ultimately need to be part of the equation, they are being pushed to an unreasonable extent right now so that we can sidestep more difficult discussions about our lifestyles and make people buy expensive new appliances on the way.

People in general are just obsessed with consumption for the sake of consumption, and wasteful af. As just one example, 46% of the food America produces ends up in the trash. That's just fucking nuts, especially when you consider that 40% of the nation is obese. So we eat twice as much as we should, and still throw away half our food... but I'll stop myself before I go too long on my soapbox.

Well said! The one underlying assumption that you've got wrong is that, no matter how powerful that humans think they are, we cannot do anything to affect climate change one way or another, no matter how much wealth is transferred to those who pretend that they can. There's two things that are much larger than us in control - the Sun and the Earth. We're just along for the ride.

 

[sk47]

that, no matter how powerful that humans think they are, we cannot do anything to affect climate change one way or another, no matter how much wealth is transferred to those who pretend that they can. There's two things that are much larger than us in control - the Sun and the Earth. We're just along for the ride.

Hello; I go along with this to say a 90% + level. We can pollute and our pollution likely/maybe is enough to add a very thin layer onto natural climate drivers. Many decades ago, I read a book of Mark twain short stories LETTERS FROM THE EARTH. It one story I remember it this way. That if you take the height of the Eiffel Tower as a measure of earth history and go to the ball at the top of the flagpole at the summit of that tower. Then look closely at the many layers of paint on that flagpole ball. Human existence is maybe a part of the thickness of the last layer of paint compared to the height of the tower. Twain (S. Clemmons) goes on to say something like how so many humans have an attitude the whole towers history was around just for them to show up in the tiny fraction of time we have been here. (I likely have summarized poorly)

There was a species which changed things long ago. Those were the stromatolites. A tiny organism which built up hard structures, I guess, similar to the way corals do. They apparently were the first to successfully used photosynthesis. They altered the atmosphere with their then toxic waste byproducts (oxygen). Their descendants (think plants) have done well. Not clear they changed the climate though I can see how such might have happened.

Then there are the calculated greenhouse gas levels and temperatures of hundreds of millions of years ago during which life and even our ancestors survived.

 

[CrazyHippie]

Hello; I go along with this to say a 90% + level. We can pollute and our pollution likely/maybe is enough to add a very thin layer onto natural climate drivers. Many decades ago, I read a book of Mark twain short stories LETTERS FROM THE EARTH. It one story I remember it this way. That if you take the height of the Eiffel Tower as a measure of earth history and go to the ball at the top of the flagpole at the summit of that tower. Then look closely at the many layers of paint on that flagpole ball. Human existence is maybe a part of the thickness of the last layer of paint compared to the height of the tower. Twain (S. Clemmons) goes on to say something like how so many humans have an attitude the whole towers history was around just for them to show up in the tiny fraction of time we have been here. (I likely have summarized poorly)

There was a species which changed things long ago. Those were the stromatolites. A tiny organism which built up hard structures, I guess, similar to the way corals do. They apparently were the first to successfully used photosynthesis. They altered the atmosphere with their then toxic waste byproducts (oxygen). Their descendants (think plants) have done well. Not clear they changed the climate though I can see how such might have happened.

Then there are the calculated greenhouse gas levels and temperatures of hundreds of millions of years ago during which life and even our ancestors survived.

Very interesting! Your insight is exceptional! Thanks for sharing it!

 

[shogun32]

Your insight is exceptional! Thanks for sharing it!

Actually he was misappropriating Samuel Clemens knowledge, or the retelling of knowledge SC himself gathered from others.

How insignificant is man that You pay heed to him, indeed. We barely rate a gnat on an elephants ass.

Not to say we cant do a FAR better in our duties of husbandry of the planet. Lets get the easy stuff right for once.

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