Cobb got nailed by the EPA

[RocketGuy3]

When they wouldn't let you buy garden supplies but would let you buy alcohol and weed, Fat dumb and ignorant?

Woah, weed doesn't make you fat or dumb... Arguably ignorant, though.

Alcohol does all three, but don't you dare touch my Laphroaig or Elijah Craig. We tried prohibition already.

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[GregO]

Damn, I haven't heard that in ages.

Dan, that’s our North Central Wis heritage rearing it’s head ! LOL

 

[Timbuck]

interesting read , sept 2024


https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705

 

[GregO]

Methane is only a significant problem when it is a waste gas released into the atmosphere,

I lived and worked on a dairy farm back in the early days of farmers switching to liquid manure pits. A few of the more well off farmers covered their pits and captured the methane.
Now we’re living in an age where Biodigesters are powering turbines for electricity.
I guess Aunty Entity’s Barter Town wasn’t really that far off.

 

[wingnutt]

interesting read , sept 2024

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705

in before the author is “discredited“
…because they used a plastic bag that one time in 1992 🥸

 

[wingnutt]

and just to wrap this thread up?

 

[shogun32]

in before the author is “discredited“
…because they used a plastic bag that one time in 1992 🥸

I want to apologize, for the forest fire I started 430 million years ago. I was walking about with my Mammonth trunk dipped in bubbling tar and I tripped over a rock in the siberian wilderness and damn well burned the whole damn continent down.

 

[RocketGuy3]

I lived and worked on a dairy farm back in the early days of farmers switching to liquid manure pits. A few of the more well off farmers covered their pits and captured the methane.
Now we’re living in an age where Biodigesters are powering turbines for electricity.
I guess Aunty Entity’s Barter Town wasn’t really that far off.

Lol I love the stories you bring up, but I gotta be honest, half the time I'm not sure exactly what point you're making.

interesting read , sept 2024


https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705

in before the author is “discredited“
…because they used a plastic bag that one time in 1992 🥸

I have nothing to discredit, nor do I have any need to even try... These authors could be 100% correct in their findings, and it does nothing to disprove anything I've said. Like I said, no one is denying that the earth naturally goes through significant climate fluctuations over time. A lot can happen in the four hundred eighty-five million years the researchers discuss here... But a 25C swing in half a billion years, again, seems to me to be less significant than a 1.5C swing in 150 years (projected to become another 1.5C in the next 50-100 years if we don't address the problem).

Let me put this into better perspective. If the earth's entire history (~4.5 billion years) was condensed into an hour, then humanity's entire existence (~250K years) would be in the last fifth of a second of that hour. So that 1.5C swing happened in 0.6 milliseconds, but the 25C swings the authors describe happened in ten minutes. We can adjust a lot more easily to changing conditions over millions of years (if our species is fortunate enough to be around that long) than we can to conditions being different now than they were when we were children.

What's funny is I bet, with some googling, you could find some content from the same authors on that publication discussing the problem of MMCC.

I'm just thankful you guys are in the minority, so I'm, for the most part, arguing a moot point. Even most conservatives understand this is a problem that needs our attention... Most just disagree on how we solve it.

 

[GregO]

Lol I love the stories you bring up, but I gotta be honest, half the time I'm not sure exactly what point you're making.

Honestly, sometimes there is no need to make a point other than friendly conversation and life experiences.

 

[shogun32]

than a 1.5C swing in 150 years (projected to become another 1.5C in the next 50-100 years if we don't address the problem

except you're still citing models which have NEVER actually worked. But say this is the first time they are actually bang on target. Where's the proof, anywhere, that it is an actual problem? If the earth has survived far worse for millions of years at a time, so fracking what? Will we need to move a few thousand people off their habitat as it sinks beneath the waves? Sure, and no biggie. They made the mistake of thinking their spit of sandbar was suitable habitat. It was doable for a few hundred years. Well now it's time to fashion their new dugout canoes and paddle across the great Pacific for another spit of land that can be called home once more. Life goes on.

"oh, but by then IF it is a real problem it's too late to do anything about it."
Sure, I'll give you that. But if it is NOT a problem, what do we do about the trillions spent on a futile effort based on wild-ass guesses and models that have never worked? TIME AND AGAIN serious research shows the climate is affected by sun activity and water vapor. Not floride chemicals, not Co2, not methane, not human economic activity.

The great disappearing ozone hole? The hole is real. The chemicals and their removal did jack squat. That's kinda inconvenient, don't you think?

Even today there are sensationalist articles about the giant icebergs melting or circling the drain in the deep-south Indian ocean. So?

We have so little data and so infitessimal frame of reference that trying to extrapolate anything from the historical record is a fool's errand.

 

[RocketGuy3]

except you're still citing models which have NEVER actually worked. But say this is the first time they are actually bang on target. Where's the proof, anywhere, that it is an actual problem?

"oh, but by then IF it is a real problem it's too late to do anything about it."
Sure, I'll give you that. But it is NOT a problem, what do we do about the trillions spent on a futile effort based on wild-ass guesses and models that have never worked?

Even today there are sensationalist articles about the giant icebergs melting or circling the drain in the deep-south Indian ocean. So?

We have so little data and so infitesimal frame of reference that trying to extrapolate anything from the historical record is a fool's errand.

You lost quite a bit of credit when you insinuated that mammoths were around 430 million years ago. Anyway, I've provided you scientific evidence that this is a problem, and haven't gotten the same from you, so I think we're at an impasse.

 

[K4fxd]

I'm just thankful you guys are in the minority, so I'm, for the most part, arguing a moot point. Even most conservatives understand this is a problem that needs our attention... Most just disagree on how we solve it.

Look at the chart, see all the upward spikes? those are warming periods. Notice how steep they are? Now look at the current years? Is it going up, or down.

Even if you pull up the gloom and doom charts that have it warming the spike is still not steeper than others.

We are currently in an ice age, year round ice on the polar caps. Will it cool and the ice grows or will it warm and the ice melt?

Co2 is a warming gas but not at the current atmospheric levels. Now if it approaches that of water vapor look out.

If Co2 caused warming like is being ballyhooed the governments of the world would stop all commercial air travel. Now you can spout off about per passenger blah blah, fact is 98% of them would not be traveling if not for airplanes.

Oh crap I just posted here again. SMH

 

[K4fxd]

Anyway, I've provided you scientific evidence that this is a problem, and haven't gotten the same from you, so I think we're at an impasse.

All I saw was propaganda from a climate change web site.

I suppose this doesn't count?

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705

 

[RocketGuy3]

Look at the chart, see all the upward spikes? those are warming periods. Notice how steep they are? Now look at the current years? Is it going up, or down.

Even if you pull up the gloom and doom charts that have it warming the spike is still not steeper than others.

We are currently in an ice age, year round ice on the polar caps. Will it cool and the ice grows or will it warm and the ice melt?

Co2 is a warming gas but not at the current atmospheric levels. Now if it approaches that of water vapor look out.

If Co2 caused warming like is being ballyhooed the governments of the world would stop all commercial air travel. Now you can spout off about per passenger blah blah, fact is 98% of them would not be traveling if not for airplanes.

Oh crap I just posted here again. SMH

This is why I posted that paragraph about perspective. Those "spikes" look like a big change on that chart, but they are still happening over the course of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of years. Not 300 years. Each dash on the x axis of that chart is ten million years.

All I saw was propaganda from a climate change web site.

I suppose this doesn't count?

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705

OK based on this and the above message, I guess you missed my reply.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/cobb-got-nailed-by-the-epa.205980/post-4123926

Those authors don't agree with you guys.

 

[K4fxd]

Even today there are sensationalist articles about the giant icebergs melting or circling the drain in the deep-south Indian ocean.

Don't forget every news story about weather or forest fires, there is always a blurb about how it is due to climate change, not because Joe sixpack didn't read the no fire sign and lit a big one.

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