Cobb got nailed by the EPA

[RocketGuy3]

Please recount the beliefs you discovered were false that way. Something more significant that learning Maroon Five sucks.

Jesus, so many... Including climate change, incidentally, which I used to not want to believe in cuz I wanted to keep doing the things I was doing guilt free. I've also been convinced that a plane on a conveyor belt moving the opposite direction of its jet propulsion WOULD still take off. I've been wrong more times than I can count, and it's possible I'm wrong here, too (though, as Charles Barkley would say, I doubt it).

Also, to be clear, I wasn't suggesting that by "learning" I meant "changing my mind" (though that is always on the table). I meant also just better understanding the other side. Why they believe what they believe, or what valid issues they may bring up even if I still disagree with the crux of their argument.

if my kids or grandkids are relegated to eating bugs out of necessity, I consider that a profound failure of me/my generation to forcibly terminate those who wish to destroy the progress made by western civ.

Lol jesus brotato, that went 0-100 real quick. Who are you trying to "forcibly terminate" exactly? And why is eating bugs such a horrible thing? They're a delicacy in some places, and I've legit heard they're quite tasty. I wasn't even suggesting it would happen out of necessity, but that their appeal could grow globally, for multiple reasons.

Also, to be sure, Western civilization is who originally discovered climate change, and that same spirit of progress is our best bet for solving the issue.

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[K4fxd]

Re: Ice age (?), I have no idea what you're even asking anymore

Because you can't think past yesterday.

We are discussing "climate" correct? That includes all periods of earth's history. Not just 200 years ago.

If you look at past climate charts the earth has heated up just as fast or faster than it has today. It has also cooled just as fast or faster.

NO ONE can claim a climatic trend using 200 years of data. That is like trying to predict today's weather by using only the data at 5:30 AM

I've posted plenty of evidence in the off topic lounge, this thread is not the place so until I see your new thread there,.. Have a nice day.

 

[wingnutt]

Also who was predicting NYC would be underwater by 2020? And when?

Oh I got this one…none other than ABC news in 2008 and good ol Bob Woodruff, predicting underwater by 2015 as I recall …I’m sure there’s a YouTube you can find on it

point is we have been hearing about some catastrophic event every 10 years, since what the 70s?

acid rain gonna kill us all
peak oil is gonna kill us all
mini ice age kill us all
worldwide famine kill all
hole in the Ozone death destruction
melted polar caps drowning everyone
global warming killing everything
and now climate change

…and I think it’s kinda relevant to the topic, cause that’s what the EPA is using as the basis for their actions, no?

 

[shogun32]

point is we have been hearing about some catastrophic event every 10 years, since what the 70s?

I've been told the only sensible place to use the strategy of doubling-down is if you're playing Blackjack, and you can count cards.

A couple years ago there was a big cry over the heating oceans and great swaths of coral dying in the Great Barrier Reef. Funny thing happened...

Point being, these climate frauds really do think a couple of variables are sufficient to describe the climate be it local or otherwise. We don't have the foggiest idea how most of these systems work. It is rank hubris to think we do.

You'd think that every single model being wrong both in future results and also can't be fit against historical data either, would be their FIRST clue. But apparently not.

 

[RocketGuy3]

Because you can't think past yesterday.

We are discussing "climate" correct? That includes all periods of earth's history. Not just 200 years ago.

If you look at past climate charts the earth has heated up just as fast or faster than it has today. It has also cooled just as fast or faster.

NO ONE can claim a climatic trend using 200 years of data. That is like trying to predict today's weather by using only the data at 5:30 AM

I've posted plenty of evidence in the off topic lounge, this thread is not the place so until I see your new thread there,.. Have a nice day.

Obviously the earth has warmed up since the ice age, but even that was only roughly 6C cooler globally, and it was tens of thousands of years ago... Can you see how that's less significant than a 1.5C difference in ~150 years?

Oh I got this one…none other than ABC news in 2008 and good ol Bob Woodruff, predicting underwater by 2015 as I recall …I’m sure there’s a YouTube you can find on it

point is we have been hearing about some catastrophic event every 10 years, since what the 70s?

acid rain gonna kill us all
peak oil is gonna kill us all
mini ice age kill us all
worldwide famine kill all
hole in the Ozone death destruction
melted polar caps drowning everyone
global warming killing everything
and now climate change

…and I think it’s kinda relevant to the topic, cause that’s what the EPA is using as the basis for their actions, no?

Some of those things (famine and ozone, for example) were legitimate concerns that would have caused significant issues had we not come up with solutions. The thing about humans is that we're capable of amazing things when our backs are against the wall. We can solve all kinds of unimaginable problems once enough of us agree they need to be solved. And I believe the same will be true of global warming... And if not, then a lot of us will die off, and that'll probably solve the problem, too.

Also Bob Woodruff is a journalist, not a scientist. Of course journalists can report all kinds of nonsense without much consequence.

 

[RocketGuy3]

I've been told the only sensible place to use the strategy of doubling-down is if you're playing Blackjack, and you can count cards.

A couple years ago there was a big cry over the heating oceans and great swaths of coral dying in the Great Barrier Reef. Funny thing happened...

Point being, these climate frauds really do think a couple of variables are sufficient to describe the climate be it local or otherwise. We don't have the foggiest idea how most of these systems work. It is rank hubris to think we do.

You'd think that every single model being wrong both in future results and also can't be fit against historical data either, would be their FIRST clue. But apparently not.

You know what's "rank hubris"? Thinking you understand the climate or science better than fucking NASA.

But tin foil hats do budget a lot of hubris.

 

[K4fxd]

Also Bob Woodruff is a journalist, not a scientist.

There we go, discredit the source.

 

[RocketGuy3]

There we go, discredit the source.

Lol this was a source preaching climate doom, so I'm technically discrediting someone on "my side", no? Obviously people get things wrong sometimes. One random journalist predicting a silly doomsday scenario that didn't come to fruition doesn't disprove human-motivated climate change is a problem.

I will be the first to admit that the media loves to exaggerate or misreport facts for the sake of clicks and views. But scientists are not media. That's why I'm looking for sources cited with scientific journals or studies.

If Woodruff had cited multiple scientists in his article that agreed with his prediction? That would be much harder for me to look past, and I'd have to eat some crow. I've tried googling around for this, though, and can find no such citations. In fact from what I can tell, it was just a soundbite from an interview?

 

[shogun32]

Thinking you understand the climate or science better than fucking NASA.

NASA has proven themselves incapable of sound engineering, or honest data collection and analysis. I don't have to know more than NASA to know they are full of sh*t.

Your appeal to authority is beyond sad. But not surprising.

 

[Strokerswild]

I tried 'fishing' for bugs with discarded McD meals. strangely enough, I couldn't get flies to do their business. Now a nice fish head left out in the grass attracted much interest.

Since we're way off topic, this brought back a memory....

Back in the early '90s, I remember driving a buddy's car (mid-'70s Torino) and went to move the seat back. While reaching for the seat release, I could feel something under the seat. I pulled it out, and it was a McDonalds cheeseburger, complete with wrapper. Laughing, I looked at my buddy and asked how long it had been under there. He had no idea, and figured it slid off the driveshaft hump over lunch and slid between it and the bucket seat into its dark new home, possibly several weeks ago. Now morbidly curious I unwrapped it, only to find it in perfect condition with no mold or bugs whatsoever. It went in the trash, but I'd bet the thing would have been edible after a minute in the microwave.

I rarely eat McDonalds "food" to this day.

 

[RocketGuy3]

NASA has proven themselves incapable of sound engineering, or honest data collection and analysis. I don't have to know more than NASA to know they are full of sh*t.

Your appeal to authority is beyond sad.

So are there any credible scientific sources you do trust? Or do you prefer to get your news from tidbits about how this or that bit of evidence is sketchy so this is obviously all a big money making conspiracy? (I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me where all this money is coming from, BTW)

 

[K4fxd]

This is the problem. MMCC is a religion and is based on faith.

I'm sure whoever the scientists were who predicted NYC under water have ducked under the desk.

Point is some had and the media ran with it, Al Gore doubled down on it and now we have a new religion.

 

[K4fxd]

(I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me where all this money is coming from, BTW)

Government grants

 

[RocketGuy3]

This is the problem. MMCC is a religion and is based on faith.

Pot, kettle...

 

[RocketGuy3]

Government grants

The government is already bought and paid for by private entities, so why would they authorize grants for their own demise?

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