Cobb got nailed by the EPA

[K4fxd]

Should a person be allowed to defeat the emissions on a diesel and get rid of the DEF system and then roll coal on $100K + convertibles?

Rolling coal, especially if doing it on a public street should be handles bu local authorities. Defeating the emissions devices is another issue.

Unless there’s no compromise at all and nothing gets done.

Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing.

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[MAGS1]

Rolling coal, especially if doing it on a public street should be handles bu local authorities. Defeating the emissions devices is another issue.

Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing.

Sometimes yes but more often than not, I prefer negotiation and compromise. Seems to be a lost skill with most lawmakers. Everyone digs in until one side has a majority then we’re all left with stupid policies (both sides deserve blame, not singling any one side out).

I do agree that we need some court rulings to put a lot of this stuff back in the elected officials hands. These agencies should be enforcing laws that have been passed by Congress, not making up their own rules doing the sole bidding of whichever party is in control. Congress makes laws, the agencies then enforce them. Pretty simple to most of us, wish the dopes in DC understood it.

 

[markayash]

Can't agree with this.

I'm not in favor of over regulation, but I'm not in favor of zero regulation either.

Realistic balance and fairness is all I wanna see.

Never happen, look up the net worth of almost any politician. Find one that hasn't worked in the private sector and ask " how do you become a multi-millionaire in a few years making $200K a year"

 

[K4fxd]

not making up their own rules doing the sole bidding of whichever party is in control.

Unfortunately these people are so dug in and protected by unions, that they end roll policy they they don't like. They don't even follow elected leaders policies if they don't agree with it

We need to clean house, but too many walk into the booth and Vote R or D with no real thought. If everyone voted for the guy not in office, regardless of party, it might send a message.

I mean this all the way from the top to the local dog catcher.

 

[SnowFox]

It is congress's job, not these agencies. We should make our elected people work for their paycheck.

Da fuq..

The Environmental Protection Agency can only act pursuant to statutes and laws passed by Congress.

Since Congress is the legislative branch this would fall under doing their job no?

Or are you suggesting we let a group of representatives who's approval rating is typically well below 40 even 30% have more authority and responsibility?

 

[SnowFox]

Never happen, look up the net worth of almost any politician. Find one that hasn't worked in the private sector and ask " how do you become a multi-millionaire in a few years making $200K a year"

I'm sadly aware it will never happen. Doesn't keep me from wanting it though

I want a GTD to but I don't think Tom would even sell me his owners kit, much less his car

 

[cerbomark]

Never happen, look up the net worth of almost any politician. Find one that hasn't worked in the private sector and ask " how do you become a multi-millionaire in a few years making $200K a year"

Some make millions a year (Pelosi) in investments. I wonder how they are so smart to know exactly which way certain industries and companies will move right before they do? Should be illegal for them to trade or furnish information. Rest of us are suckers.

 

[MAGS1]

Unfortunately these people are so dug in and protected by unions, that they end roll policy they they don't like. They don't even follow elected leaders policies if they don't agree with it

We need to clean house, but too many walk into the booth and Vote R or D with no real thought. If everyone voted for the guy not in office, regardless of party, it might send a message.

I mean this all the way from the top to the local dog catcher.

Agreed. I’ve actually been doing that the last few cycles (both local and national). Party affiliation has and never will be a deciding factor. Policies and what that person plans to do in office means more to me than any party affiliation ever will. I’m kind of an odd duck as it relates to that thinking though.

 

[shogun32]

The Environmental Protection Agency can only act pursuant to statutes and laws passed by Congress

Don't be so naive. Way way back the agencies were advice to Congress. Then Congress let them set up their own enforcement regimes, then they started allowing "the agency can issue law and rules. And then the commissar, excuse me, Secretary may ...."

Yes the fig leaf is there but the devil's in the details and Congress long since abdicated it's requirement to BE the ones writing the details and thereby being forced to air the process open and debated.

TWICE the EPA has thumbed it's nose at the supreme Court and instead of demolishing the agency right damn then, they reauthorized it's budget. Congress is fully onboard with the agencies enacting their own initiative because secretly that is what they want. The Constitution is diametrically opposed to the administrative state. And they don't care.

 

[Buldawg76]

I am no exert on pollution or greenhouse gases, but I do remember my basic science classes that taught about how green plants take in CO2 and use photosynthesis to convert that to O2 that they release back into the atmosphere for all other living things to breathe and thrive. So, all this talk of removing CO2 from our world seems to me like a suicide mission since without CO2 green plants will die and without green plants releasing O2 then everything else dies.

Its CO and NOX along with other toxic gases that we need to control in our air. Today's ICE cars emit mostly CO2 and H2O from the tailpipes both of which are IMO essential gasses for life to exist.

If I am missing something, please educate me with proven facts not TreeHugger/Climate Zealots lies.

BD

 

[CrazyHippie]

I am no exert on pollution or greenhouse gases, but I do remember my basic science classes that taught about how green plants take in CO2 and use photosynthesis to convert that to O2 that they release back into the atmosphere for all other living things to breathe and thrive. So, all this talk of removing CO2 from our world seems to me like a suicide mission since without CO2 green plants will die and without green plants releasing O2 then everything else dies.

It CO and NOX along with other toxic gases that we need to control in our air. Today's ICE cars emit mostly CO2 and H2O from the tailpipes both of which are IMO essential gasses for life to exist.

If I am missing something, please educate me with proven facts not TreeHugger/Climate Zealots lies.

BD

Yep, you've got the basic idea. The theory is that over millennia, a whole bunch of atmospheric CO2 has been sequestered by plants that have decayed into crude oil. When we burn the crude, we release the CO2 back into the atmosphere essentially all at once, relative to how long it took for the oil to form. The truth is that this genie is out of the bottle, we don't fully know what the consequences will be (if any) and at the moment, our efforts to switch from oil as our energy source are woefully inadequate. Eventually, we'll figure it out, and in the meantime, nature will do her thing as she always does!

 

[CrazyHippie]

Sometimes yes but more often than not, I prefer negotiation and compromise. Seems to be a lost skill with most lawmakers. Everyone digs in until one side has a majority then we’re all left with stupid policies (both sides deserve blame, not singling any one side out).

I do agree that we need some court rulings to put a lot of this stuff back in the elected officials hands. These agencies should be enforcing laws that have been passed by Congress, not making up their own rules doing the sole bidding of whichever party is in control. Congress makes laws, the agencies then enforce them. Pretty simple to most of us, wish the dopes in DC understood it.

With the recent Supreme Court decision to overturn the Chevron doctrine, maybe we'll start to see federal agencies being reigned in by the courts more often. Executive over reach ("making up their own rules doing the sole bidding of whichever party is in control") is the root of many problems.

 

[Buldawg76]

With the recent Supreme Court decision to overturn the Chevron doctrine, maybe we'll start to see federal agencies being reigned in by the courts more often. Executive over reach ("making up their own rules doing the sole bidding of whichever party is in control") is the root of many problems.

Agreed indeed, but I am not sure that we are not already past the point of no return in terms of reigning back in the rogue agencies that are at the core of the issues. It will require a complete removal of the upper leaders that are now steering the sinking ship.

BD

 

[shogun32]

the sinking ship

But the band is still playing. And there's dancing. And vibes n' stuff. The ship is not sinking, it is unsinkable just like the Titanic. The water lapping over the focsile is just misinformation. The aft deck here is still dry.

 

[Evolvd]

I am no exert on pollution or greenhouse gases, but I do remember my basic science classes that taught about how green plants take in CO2 and use photosynthesis to convert that to O2 that they release back into the atmosphere for all other living things to breathe and thrive. So, all this talk of removing CO2 from our world seems to me like a suicide mission since without CO2 green plants will die and without green plants releasing O2 then everything else dies.

It CO and NOX along with other toxic gases that we need to control in our air. Today's ICE cars emit mostly CO2 and H2O from the tailpipes both of which are IMO essential gasses for life to exist.

If I am missing something, please educate me with proven facts not TreeHugger/Climate Zealots lies.

BD

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. That doesn’t mean it’s bad, it’s very well needed to keep the planet temperature stable. And as you said, plants use it. However, it cannot be argued that human civilization has rapidly created more CO2 than the plants can convert all while deforestation makes it even worse. Water vapor and CO2 are the primary means by which our atmosphere retains heat.

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