'22 with Whipple 3.0 questions

[JetGray_Mach1]

That depends. It isnt a bad warranty. I would encourage you to read all of the terms carefully. Consider your future goals as its not going to cover items if you turn the power up further or do custom tuning. Consider what a dealership or CERTIFIED Whipple installer will charge you vs doing it yourself or some other more affordable (but compitent) installers will charge. It might be right for for you. I personally dont like warranties and go outside the bounds of coverage anyways. Just some things to consider. I will say Ive installed a lot of Whipple kits and there is very rarely a problem with the kits themselves. Things usually fail due to abuse, launching on sticky tires, improper maintenance, poor fuel, ect. Both the car and kits are very reliable when used within those parameters with the Whipple tune, proper custom tune and supplied boost levels.

Yeah you make great points there. I need to find out what the deductible is and what the install cost is. I always install everything on my cars my self hate to have a shop do it.

If anyone can chime in that got the warranty would be great, deductible is not on this document attached(Straight from Whipple website).

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[Ryan_s550]

Most bigger performance shops are going to be in the 1500-2000 range. We charge less just because its a side gig and we can get away with it not having all the overhead. If you are mechabically inclined its nothing you couldnt do with some proper tools and a free weekend of time. Even better if you dont need the car and you can really take your time. Whipple supplies good instructions.

 

[rin5.0]

Not sure how recent this PDF is but here's some pics of Whipple's warranty terms to add some info in here. Although, what I don't know is if they've actually paid anyone or not if they've kept within Whipple's terms of warranty.

 

[Scat2018]

I think that whipple warranty start the day u took delivery of your car. So if u like me and get whipple warranty it only get u 1.5 year more. And I never get to 36k.only got 4200 miles now.so i would just have to and hope the engine & trans don’t blow

 

[Daryl333]

Being a '22, would I need to worry about anything with this Whipple kit from RTR? I know the name says it fits the '22 but I know the MY had some "tweaks" done to it. I'm also curious because Roush has their own version of the 2650 for the '22s.

I'm also looking at Beefcake's Whipples too.

https://www.rtrvehicles.com/products/3-0-whipple-stage-1-supercharger-750hp-18-22

Wanted to add that I've been looking around and would it be safe to say the main supporting mod I need are OPG's with a 3.0L Whipple?

I wasn't going to go with OPGs and Crank Gears
But then I did some research on the failures that happen to those without them. Not all engine Oil Gears fail of course, but are you willing to chance it is the question?
After a few mins of reading I sent out an order to Boundary.

 

[Angrey]

I wasn't going to go with OPGs and Crank Gears
But then I did some research on the failures that happen to those without them. Not all engine Oil Gears fail of course, but are you willing to chance it is the question?
After a few mins of reading I sent out an order to Boundary.

Did you read the entire thread(s) on the subject? Aftermarket OPG's aren't all they've been cracked up to be (unless you're doing comprehensive and corresponding maintenance) and the new(er) OPG's that Ford employed seemed to have reduced the issue significantly (you don't hear or read NEARLY as many failures anymore). Aftermarket OPG's are tougher (resist brittle failure) but they're also softer and groove/pit/spall easier and need replacing at a significantly reduced interval (racecar parts).

 

[Daryl333]

Did you read the entire thread(s) on the subject? Aftermarket OPG's aren't all they've been cracked up to be (unless you're doing comprehensive and corresponding maintenance) and the new(er) OPG's that Ford employed seemed to have reduced the issue significantly (you don't hear or read NEARLY as many failures anymore). Aftermarket OPG's are tougher (resist brittle failure) but they're also softer and groove/pit/spall easier and need replacing at a significantly reduced interval (racecar parts).

and did you read what I wrote?
"Not all OPGs fail of course"
That's okay... Now that OP has been let know he can do his own research and make his decision for himself.
I have no fuks to give whether he buys them or not.

 

[tdstuart]

I would add a crank support kit to your list of supporting mods. Seen lots of people snap their crankshaft snouts.

Oil pump gears, cranksprocket, and upgraded timing chains would be good aswell.

Just know that the oil pump gear instal is more involved. A Whipple install would probably be no big deal.

 

[Angrey]

and did you read what I wrote?
"Not all OPGs fail of course"
That's okay... Now that OP has been let know he can do his own research and make his decision for himself.
I have no fuks to give whether he buys them or not.

I think you skipped over most of my point. By adding aftermarket OPG's, you reduce the risk of shock failure, but you trade one issue for another in wear and/durability. Furthermore, we don't see the common postings about OPG failures anymore because Ford updated the OPG's so they're no longer brittle cookies.

I'm another person who didn't realize that aftermarket OPG's come with a new problem of having to replace them under tear down frequently, otherwise the photos of tear downs (without significant miles) are fairly concerning with grooving and voids where metal is spalled into the rest of the motor. My point is, the OPG failure concern isn't the same as it once was and furthermore, unless you're going to tear down and overhaul the motor quite often, may actually be a step down.

I have a 2016, so I probably would have replaced mine regardless, but if I had a 2019+ I probably wouldn't mess with them.

 

[Angrey]

I would add a crank support kit to your list of supporting mods. Seen lots of people snap their crankshaft snouts.

Oil pump gears, cranksprocket, and upgraded timing chains would be good aswell.

Just know that the oil pump gear instal is more involved. A Whipple install would probably be no big deal.

Someone pointed out the other day that anecdotally, no one has yet to report a crank failure using a $150 kinetic crank saver bolt. The problem may simply be the crank walking because of the stretch and extra dimension available in OE style bolts.

 

[Stymee]

Add any other parts that don't come with a Whipple or Roush and the warranty is void not to mention it must be installed by a ASE certified mechanic.

EG OPG’s, Upgraded chains etc

If you live in a warm climate yes the Roush gives up power after repeated hits however ask EngineeringMike what he thinks of Whipples Canned tune vs Roush Canned tune.

630-650RW with of gobs low end with stellar drivability, a good warranty and the Roush is hard to beat.

If your looking to turn it up and not concerned about a warranty…

Go Whipple

 

[Cory S]

Someone pointed out the other day that anecdotally, no one has yet to report a crank failure using a $150 kinetic crank saver bolt. The problem may simply be the crank walking because of the stretch and extra dimension available in OE style bolts.

The design is brilliant. I love mine. The machine fit center shoulder fills the hollow area, in which prevents potential excessive flex.

 

[jayman33]

A lot of the information in here is based off limited knowledge or knowledge based off what people have read or by the only thing they’ve ran. With that said, we’ve installed every system available and ran them.
With that said, we have a lot of customers (grudge, older gentlemen) that aren’t on social media. There are more OPG failures than anyone thinks or knows, also we’ve ran billet OPG’s on 700+ HP cars for 50k plus mileage without any issues. Longevity is not an issue.

we’ve had quite a few high HP customers with ProCharger that have cracked their crank, that crank saver stud actually works wonders.

We just finished a 2022 mach1 at the shop where the customer made 622 and 500 on our dyno, that was a stage 2 on a whipple canned tune.

All off the shelf tunes are going to leave much to be desired, especially if carb approved. As far as Roush blowers go, don’t be surprised that Roush will no longer provide a supercharger for later models and their supercharger kits will stop. Whipple now works more with Ford and probably more than Roush.

Let us know if we can help, we don’t just sell supercharger kits, we install them in house as well.

 

[m3incorp]

If you are planning to do the install yourself, make sure to note "who/what" Whipple considers to be a certified installer to make the warranty worth anything.

Yeah you make great points there. I need to find out what the deductible is and what the install cost is. I always install everything on my cars my self hate to have a shop do it.

If anyone can chime in that got the warranty would be great, deductible is not on this document attached(Straight from Whipple website).

 

[2022 Mach 1]

If you are planning to do the install yourself, make sure to note "who/what" Whipple considers to be a certified installer to make the warranty worth anything.

This 100%! whipple will not warranty the $600 add on drive train if not installed by an ASE mechanic or dealer/dealership.

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