Would you like to see a simplified version of the Koenigsegg CC850 tranny in a Mustang?

[Fly2High]

Have you seen the latest Engineering Explained video on the CC850?


The tranny looks pretty cool and the thing I like is that it offers both manual and automatic options in one package.
I do not love the fact that there are 7 clutches and might be indifferent on the 'Clutch By Wire'

If you are a manual fan and Ford would offer this type of transmission instead of ditching the manual, would you opt for this type of manual or you would you prefer to abandon manuals and go over to the dark side (automatic)?

I am a little surprised they did not put paddles also in the car so as to offer all three shifting varieties in the CC850.

For me, if there was going to be the choice of no manual or this, I would go with this. the added 'benefit' is that my wife, who does not drive a manual, could also drive this car in auto mode.

The idea of clutch by wire also brings about the possibility to tune where the clutch engages. In the MT82D, I feel the clutch engages a little high for my tastes. With Clutch By Wire, they could offer different curves to accommodate several different engagement style or allow you to tune the curve yourself with 5 - 7 points on the curve so as to tailor it to your own preferences.

What are your thoughts?

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[KingKona]

The expense of that transmission must be astronomical.

 

[Rael]

What for? There will be no V8 Mustangs built much longer. Fun fantasy though.

 

[Firsttexan]

There's a reason that tranny is in a multi million dollar car. A lot of their engineering will trickle down to lesser cars someday.

Their active valve tech will likely happen before that tranny.

 

[Genxer]

With this you wouldn't get a conventional clutch job down the road, you'd essentially have a transmission rebuild (by the time you disassembled it to replace all those clutches. Cool idea but for Fords? If that ever made it to production, dealer replacements instead of rebuilding would be the norm. Koenigsegg comes up with some really innovative things, I'm always excited to see what they are doing.

 

[LSchicago]

The expense of that transmission must be astronomical.

I wouldn't want to pay that rebuild invoice.

 

[Balr14]

I think modern torque converter automatics offer the best performance and versatility with the least potential problems. I've had more than my share of manuals, plus a few dual clutch transmissions. Dual clutch responds great, but the potential for expensive failure is too high. The 8 speed ZF torque converter performs just as well as a Porsche PDK with half the risk.

 

[LSchicago]

There's a reason that tranny is in a multi million dollar car. A lot of their engineering will trickle down to lesser cars someday.

Their active valve tech will likely happen before that tranny.

Trickle down to what, EV's?

 

[Paul McWhiskey]

Super expensive no doubt. I mean Koenigsegg. Duh!

Still very neat.

And, oh yea, just go to Koenigsegg part on the interweb and order one. Then let me know what the price is. LOL

 

[17Magnetic5.0]

No trannys in my car thank you very much

 

[shogun32]

it's a shame Ford/GM didn't do this 'by-wire' for their 7-speed DCTs. Like the above, it's just controlling the engagement servos' throw. Downright trivial to implement. And since it's 'by-wire' the computer can preemptively "apply" the clutch if the user forgets to use the 3rd pedal. I wish auto engineers would just spend 5 minutes thinking of HOW instead of CAN'T.

 

[Firsttexan]

Trickle down to what, EV's?

That type of tech will likely help keep the ICE around longer.


Temp off subject:
Takes about 250lbs of coal to charge an average EV.

 

[Fly2High]

I think modern torque converter automatics offer the best performance and versatility with the least potential problems. I've had more than my share of manuals, plus a few dual clutch transmissions. Dual clutch responds great, but the potential for expensive failure is too high. The 8 speed ZF torque converter performs just as well as a Porsche PDK with half the risk.

thank you for the feedback but the real question was if you are a manual driver and want a manual, would you rather skip having one all together or have a manual where it is common with an automatic. I agree autos have come a long way but I am still not a fan and prefer the enjoyment of rowing my own gears even if I have to give up 1/2 a second 0-60 of linear acceleration to do it.

thank you anyway.

I guess my real question is what shogun32 was eluding to. If the 'manual' was just a 'by wire' implementation that did allow you to shift, would you want it or just do away with that option all together? Would your head get in the way knowing that the transmission was not directly connected to you clutch and stick affect the enjoyment of still shifting when you want into whatever gear you wanted?

I do feel that a cable actuated clutch feels different than a hydraulic and a shaft driven or direct driven stick is different than a cable driven one.

That said, maybe having a stick and clutch by wires is going too far for a manual enthusiast. Maybe not.

 

[Fly2High]

There is some parallels with a CVT transmission. They have no gearing but they made the programming act like it has gears because people wanted that feel.

Would you want a manual where the third pedal and stick was nothing more than simulating the sensation of a manual when really it is an automatic and a computer doing it all?

 

[shogun32]

I would take a by-wire manual over an auto any day of the week.

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