Why the Mach1 is a rip off

[cosmo73]

Ford has been building the "same" damn thing since 2011. The design was paid off long ago.

Yes, GM does better engineering for re-usability and I will readily concede that the Camaro benefits from this wisdom by recycling Caddy and Corvette technology. What's stopping Ford from following the same playbook?

I don't go to C&C to brag or preen about how 'rare' my car is/not. I go to look at (not so) cool cars, talk to interesting people and answer questions from fellow enthusiasts. Could care less if mine was one of a hundred there.

what possible other reason is there to buy a high-performance (pretending) car? Ok, they look 'cool'... Obviously we each piss huge money away on stupid crap that has no rational defense. That's the luxury of not having to dig up beetles and catch mice in the fields to have dinner tonight.

The beetles & mice dinner comment is classic!! I almost hit the floor when I read that.

FWIW, I owned a '19 ZL1 and currently lease a '21 M4 and have a '20 Base GT. All fun cars in their own way. The supercharger was total overkill as I do not track my cars.
But the reality is none of these vehicles "represent" a value in the traditional sense. We are all car guys lucky enough to dump large sums of money on our toys...

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[Strokerswild]

Your scenario includes the Performance Pack which we all know has increased substantially over the past 7 years. That alone makes up the bulk of the difference. A 2021 GT Premium M6 with the Black Accent Package (to give you 19" wheels) is $42,475. It's not as bad as you are making it out to sound.

Exactly, apples to apples. No improvement there, just a blatant price hike beyond inflation.

 

[Bikeman315]

Exactly, apples to apples. No improvement there, just a blatant price hike beyond inflation.

I'm guessing you do not remember the threads back in 2015 where the Performance Package was cheered as the best value ever. Well over the years it has become less of a value and now probably costs more in line to what it should have ever been. Regardless the Mustang, in this day and age, is still a relative bargain if you want it to be.

 

[Charlemagne]

I see your point, but you'll never convince me that there have been $10K+ in improvements between the two cars in my scenario....

According to this inflation calculator, there's been 15% overall inflation (40->46k) in USA. Clearly it was even higher in the car industry, especially lately. Maybe if FED didn't print all those trillion dollars...

Do you think that Ford has significantly higher netto profit per car? I doubt that. With lot less cars sold lately, high demand, it really makes sense to raise the price from business standpoint. Customers never like that, sadly.

 

[Atlas1]

According to this inflation calculator, there's been 15% overall inflation (40->46k) in USA. Clearly it was even higher in the car industry, especially lately. Maybe if FED didn't print all those trillion dollars...

Do you think that Ford has significantly higher netto profit per car? I doubt that.

It’s likely over 15% this year alone lol. I know I know, our all knowing and wise gov says it’s hovering much lower than that. Look at real costs and I’m just glad the 22 Mach didn’t go up $10k

 

[ICU812]

If a person wants it, and is ok with what they pay for it. Then maybe that is all that matters, just don't cry when you paid 5-10k atm and if you are forced to sell it, take a bath on it. That is not the cars fault, that is your own doing, remember that.
You decided to pay msrp or over it.
If ford can't source parts to build them, it might be their undoing value wise if you can't source parts later.
Try to get a front bumper for a 2006 GTO. That isn't a aftermarket repaired part , special parts for a low production , low model year run, isn't always the best idea if you plan on driving them in day to day traffic.

 

[Kermut]

I don't like the C8

To each their own, but I think you might literally be one of a dozen that prefers the ZL1. The C8 weighs 700 lbs less, has a much nicer interior, better handling, and doesn't look like it was inspired by a cinderblock.



At the end of the day, regardless of what we think, prices are what they are. Were you better off buying a new car in 2019/2020? Hell yes, and I wish I could have afforded one then. But I couldn't, so I'm stuck buying new in 2021, because everyone, including Ford, knows that the best option in the current market is to buy new. If you think prices are going to significantly come down later with record inflation and after Ford has tasted that sweet sweet profit, I have some beachside properties to sell you.

At this point, the only real surprise to me is that GM hasn't raised prices on the Camaro. So if you can still find a 1SS/2SS for MSRP or under, and it's what you want, go for it. Personally I would pass on the ZL1 because the Corvette exists and is a better car, but that's me.

As much as we like to bitch about Ford raising prices, at this point GM is the real outlier with the Camaro when it comes to pricing, as similar performance cars from the VW group/Mercedes/BMW are going to be much pricier than the Mustang.

 

[Zelek]

To each their own, but I think you might literally be one of a dozen that prefers the ZL1. The C8 weighs 700 lbs less, has a much nicer interior, better handling, and doesn't look like it was inspired by a cinderblock.



At the end of the day, regardless of what we think, prices are what they are. Were you better off buying a new car in 2019/2020? Hell yes, and I wish I could have afforded one then. But I couldn't, so I'm stuck buying new in 2021, because everyone, including Ford, knows that the best option in the current market is to buy new. If you think prices are going to significantly come down later with record inflation and after Ford has tasted that sweet sweet profit, I have some beachside properties to sell you.

At this point, the only real surprise to me is that GM hasn't raised prices on the Camaro. So if you can still find a 1SS/2SS for MSRP or under, and it's what you want, go for it. Personally I would pass on the ZL1 because the Corvette exists and is a better car, but that's me.

As much as we like to bitch about Ford raising prices, at this point GM is the real outlier with the Camaro when it comes to pricing, as similar performance cars from the VW group/Mercedes/BMW are going to be much pricier than the Mustang.

Lets also not forget all of us who are 6'6" or taller cannot fit in a Corvette so the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger would be the only other option for us non short-shits.

No back seat, no seat adjustment, no taller driver.

 

[Kermut]

Lets also not forget all of us who are 6'6" or taller cannot fit in a Corvette so the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger would be the only other option for us non short-shits.

No back seat, no seat adjustment, no taller driver.

I'm 6'4" and change and I currently daily a MX-5, so believe me I know the struggle is real. I haven't sat in a C8 but that surprises me that a 6'6" driver couldn't fit in one, given it's a US car....wasn't a NFL player just in a crash in one in Vegas? Dude's gotta be on the larger size.

As for the back seat....yea. That's why I have a Mustang. Just my impression, but I thought that the Camaro rear seats were even worse than the Mustangs

 

[Maldelver]

It’s likely over 15% this year alone lol. I know I know, our all knowing and wise gov says it’s hovering much lower than that. Look at real costs and I’m just glad the 22 Mach didn’t go up $10k

I saw this coming, so both myself and my wife purchased vehicles this year, and financed them long term (75 months) at 2.49% interest. We both purchased top of the line, with factory warranties.

Those who truly understand finance will get this (not an insult to those who don’t).

So now take the inflation rate (something that will continue to rise quickly over the next couple years before stabilizing, opinion of course), vs my cost to borrow over that time. Add in that neither vehicle has depreciated, nor will for a minimum of two years (opinion), and then add to that that we use a cash back credit card to make the payments (immediately paying it off).

When all is said and done, because of this upside down economy, this Mach 1 will be the best value I have ever purchased in a new vehicle.

Rip off?

Quite the opposite I have found.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

To each their own, but I think you might literally be one of a dozen that prefers the ZL1. The C8 weighs 700 lbs less, has a much nicer interior, better handling, and doesn't look like it was inspired by a cinderblock.

The C8 does have a nicer interior. But, the Z51 C8 weighs 3,630 lbs. An A10 ZL1 weighs 3,925 lbs. That's a 295 lbs difference (round up to 300 lbs for conversation's sake). The ZL1 has more power, better rolling acceleration, more grip, and better braking than a C8. It also has back seats, which many of us need/want (me included). The ZL1 has great steering and great handling. The C8 Z51 may have better handling, but there were many reports of early C8 builds with excessive understeer, though, I think GM corrected that over time.

And to get a 2LT, Z51 package, and magnetic dampers cost $10k more than a ZL1 with some options (and there's an even greater differential for me since I paid under MSRP for my ZL1).

Don't get me wrong, the C8 Z51 is an awesome car, but at this stage I'd rather have my ZL1 (obviously, since I could have purchased a C8 instead). Plus, I got my ZL1 in 3 months, instead of the 1 yr+ wait time for a C8.

 

[shogun32]

And to get a 2LT, Z51 package, and magnetic dampers cost $10k more than a ZL1 with some options.

and that's the rub. I require a 3rd pedal. Why all trims of Corvette don't have MR and e-diff is beyond me - aside from being a money grab and the talking point about being able to buy a stripper C8 for 60 grand. The standard dampers properly belong on 4-banger cars.

 

[Bikeman315]

and that's the rub. I require a 3rd pedal. Why all trims of Corvette don't have MR and e-diff is beyond me - aside from being a money grab and the talking point about being able to buy a stripper C8 for 60 grand. The standard dampers properly belong on 4-banger cars.

OK guys, please do not take this personally but who gives a shit about Chevy’s? This is a Mustang forum.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Had I not have sold my 17 GT for $37k because Vroom is on crack, I would never have moved to the Mach 1. The one I ended up getting was close to $70k after everything was said and done paying sticker for it. Originally, I wanted to pay less than that but Ford decided cancelling my order was the cool thing to do. Given the current state of things, who knows what is going to happen in the future. We could wake up tomorrow and the S650 is cancelled. I didn't want to take that risk and wanted to grab an upgraded model from what I had.

Earlier I had mentioned this car is overpriced. I think if we look back pre-pandemic we would all agree. If you have the patience and want to take the risk of what's to come, you could profit on this whole situation big time. I chose not to.

Sorry...but holy smokes, nearly $70k for a non-Shelby Mustang? Ouch.

 

[Atlas1]

I saw this coming, so both myself and my wife purchased vehicles this year, and financed them long term (75 months) at 2.49% interest. We both purchased top of the line, with factory warranties.

Those who truly understand finance will get this (not an insult to those who don’t).

So now take the inflation rate (something that will continue to rise quickly over the next couple years before stabilizing, opinion of course), vs my cost to borrow over that time. Add in that neither vehicle has depreciated, nor will for a minimum of two years (opinion), and then add to that that we use a cash back credit card to make the payments (immediately paying it off).

When all is said and done, because of this upside down economy, this Mach 1 will be the best value I have ever purchased in a new vehicle.

Rip off?

Quite the opposite I have found.

100% agree

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