Centri Boys, Need Your Wisdom!

[TRP45ACP]

Yes, I should have mentioned that. Personally, I would be hesitant to run pump gas on anything over 700rwhp on these cars and would feel better at 600rwhp. To be safe, suggest running good e85 (test it) all the time; otherwise, you are asking for trouble over stated power levels. A good fuel system like Fore is a must. In fact, most reputable tuners won’t tune for E85 with FI without a return style system. And yes, a good set of injectors such as ID1050x are a must.

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[LSchicago]

Well said…^^^

At any case, right now if I were in your shoes, I’d go get the E85 tune, injectors and a used BAP ASAP. Only because it’s easy, you’ll need them anyway and it’s instant HP.

BAP is pretty much useless with E85. Lund won't tune it at all without a return system with boost.

 

[schmeky]

OP,

You are never going to get the definitive answer you are looking for. I debated this for over a year myself.

My set up is a stage II Procharger with P1X, running a 4.75" pulley, tuned for 93, ID1050X injectors, and a 3" high flow axle back system. My car is an A10 with a 3.55 Torsen in the back.

You will not lose torque with a good centri, remember the engine is no longer having to suck air in per se, it is always being pumped into the intake, albeit at very low pressures at low rpm. So you lose nothing there. Saying the torque is abysmal is false. 1st and 2nd gear, even with 305/35/19 Nitto 555R2's, are useless below 30 mph. So much for the no torque thing.

This can't be stressed enough, but a good tuner makes a HUGE difference overall regardless of the FI. My car has a noticeable torque hit right at 2K rpm compared to when it was stock.

I can run away from all normal traffic effortlessly with the A10 shifting at a lazy 2K rpm. My set up starts pulling at around 3500 - 4000 rpm, and then pulls like a beast from 4K to 7.5K.

I smoked an exotic $175,000 Audi R8 V10 on the interstate a few days ago. So if I had to do it all over again, I would build my Mustang exactly the same way.

Centri's are bad to the bone in a Coyote.

 

[w3ab1ak91]

OP,

You are never going to get the definitive answer you are looking for. I debated this for over a year myself.

My set up is a stage II Procharger with P1X, running a 4.75" pulley, tuned for 93, ID1050X injectors, and a 3" high flow axle back system. My car is an A10 with a 3.55 Torsen in the back.

You will not lose torque with a good centri, remember the engine is no longer having to suck air in per se, it is always being pumped into the intake, albeit at very low pressures at low rpm. So you lose nothing there. Saying the torque is abysmal is false. 1st and 2nd gear, even with 305/35/19 Nitto 555R2's, are useless below 30 mph. So much for the no torque thing.

This can't be stressed enough, but a good tuner makes a HUGE difference overall regardless of the FI. My car has a noticeable torque hit right at 2K rpm compared to when it was stock.

I can run away from all normal traffic effortlessly with the A10 shifting at a lazy 2K rpm. My set up starts pulling at around 3500 - 4000 rpm, and then pulls like a beast from 4K to 7.5K.

I smoked an exotic $175,000 Audi R8 V10 on the interstate a few days ago. So if I had to do it all over again, I would build my Mustang exactly the same way.

Centri's are bad to the bone in a Coyote.

Great info/feedback. What power level are you hitting?

 

[Lads1719]

BAP is pretty much useless with E85. Lund won't tune it at all without a return system with boost.

He’s NA now tho right? Thats the only reason I suggested it, and a used one too cause other than being a bridge to a new system, they are worthless.

 

[schmeky]

w3ablak91,

Based on my tuners input and the dyno charts of set-ups like mine, I would guess around 625 at the wheel.

So I'd say about 715 - 720 +/- at the crank.

 

[80FoxCoupe]

Cant go wrong with any popular centri or PD kit. Im partial to the Procharger, cause its the best! LOL

 

[SBR70.3]

Jet plane noises. The #1 reason to go centri.

I went Procharger HO w/P1x and love it. Relatively easy install. (Only said F about 63 times) and can return to stock just as easily if needed. Not sure where you get "harder to tune" because PBD nailed mine on the first attempt. The only regret I have is I should have gone w/the State II system.

 

[LSchicago]

He’s NA now tho right? Thats the only reason I suggested it, and a used one too cause other than being a bridge to a new system, they are worthless.

If he is going to add boost, he should go straight for a return system. You don't need a BAP for just E85. That would just be a waste of money and time.

 

[w3ab1ak91]

Random question, if i go with either a procharger or whipple, will I need a different oil air separator?

 

[TRP45ACP]

That depends on how you want to run your car. I simply vent mine to the atmosphere through little filters. At some point, the filters will get a bit dirty or oil soaked, I will then change them out.

 

[J17GT]

OP,

You are never going to get the definitive answer you are looking for. I debated this for over a year myself.

Agreed. I went back and forth between a P1X and Whipple. Ended up getting the Whipple and it's a blast. Car made 709/530 on the Whipple tune running 93 with the out of the box stage 2 kit and power was still going up at 7400 rpms when the pull was stopped. Car trapped 131mph with poopy air at the first track outing with the driver needing a lot of work! Cars weighs 4100lbs with me in it. It's HEAVY.

If I had an auto (especially the A10) or this was a dedicated track car, I think I would have gone with a centri. But with it being a stick and primarily a street car, went Whipple with no regrets. Coyote's love the boost and I think you'll be happy with whatever you choose.

 

[19BULLITTwhipple]

Alright so I recently made a post inquiring about turbos and I think I'm ruling them out as my FI option for my 21 Mustang GT PP 6MT. Ive narrowed it down to a PD blower or a Centri. Here's my take on them so far.

PD Pros
- Instant torque
- Can make some big HP numbers
- Easier to tune?

PD Cons
- Heat soak is a thing
- Added weight
- More complex install
- Harder to manage traction on street

Centri Pros
- Easier install
- Less weight
- Lower IATs
- Jet plane noises
- Possibly easier to get traction on street

Centri Cons
- Low end torque is bysmal
- Won't make as much power?
- Have to wind it out to make power

This is just what I've discovered from my research. I really like a lot about the Centri units, but I dont want to get one and regret it. Whichever route I go my goal is 700+whp with room to grow. I have e85 available all around me, even though its "51-83%" according to the pump. And ill be doing all supporting suspension, clutch, drivetrain, tires, long tubes, etc.

Some of my main questions on the Centris are which brand/kit to go with? Are they complete kits? If I go e85 what size injectors do I need? And what kind of hp potential can I expect with said kits?

Thanks in advance as you have all been extremely crucial and helpful in guiding me in the right direction so far!

1000 cc injector, fore fuel system, centris make more peak power, however torque sucks...

you have a manual, you will shift 1-2 or 2-3 and your knock sensors will go ape shit. Which cuts power. Due to engine vibration and how close everything is in the engine bay.

Get a pd blower if money is not an issue. But on beefacke racing. You can get a tuner kit. Which is a supercharger kit all you need is 1000 cc injector and a tune. If you want to go e85 get a fuel system.

A whipple complete is going to cost you $8400 roughly 650 whp on pump gas
THEN you have to buy the fuel system...
A tuner kit is cheaper but still more than a centri.

A paxton tuner kit is like 6200 and a for fuel system is like 2200 = $8400.. roughly 800whp
A complete kit paxton is just not worth it in my opinion.

If you go centri, get all the boost now.. dont mess around with getting the complete kit then getting a fuel system. No use...

Paxton, Vortech.. Don't go procharger, you snap your crank under high boost.. All the threads with broken cranks had procharger kits. You'll have to get a Crank support which is another $1500..

Get a PAXTON 2200 TUNER KIT it already comes with a big head unit you can make gobbs of power. Fore fuel system. 1000cc injector.. Call it a day. 8400 plus install. done.

 

[19BULLITTwhipple]

Don’t forget about false knock on the centri cars with a manual. Never got rid of it, lund said deal with it.

This needs to be in bold!!!!!! That shit will cut power on a shift like you wouldn't believe and then you'll have to ask your tuner to desensitize the knock sensors

get a paxton and boost it to death or get a pd..

These guys have "enough" torque but they don't have pd torque.

Don't get a roush blower. no tuner will touch that junk for 2018+.. and it heat soaks like crazy.
Don't get a vortech v3 because the head unit is too small unless you upgrade it.

Whipple, Edelbrock, Vmp Odin not Loki...


With wait times and backorders. You best bet to get boost fast is a centri. But You will be happier with a pd.

 

[SolarFlare]

This needs to be in bold!!!!!! That shit will cut power on a shift like you wouldn't believe and then you'll have to ask your tuner to desensitize the knock sensors

get a paxton and boost it to death or get a pd..

These guys have "enough" torque but they don't have pd torque.

Don't get a roush blower. no tuner will touch that junk for 2018+.. and it heat soaks like crazy.
Don't get a vortech v3 because the head unit is too small unless you upgrade it.

Whipple, Edelbrock, Vmp Odin not Loki...


With wait times and backorders. You best bet to get boost fast is a centri. But You will be happier with a pd.

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