Let's talk about the C8 vs the GT500

[Cardude99]

Well the C8 is starting low for a reason. It probably will depreciate faster and be lower priced due to its low starting price. If marketing is to be believed.

Good then I can pick one up cheap lol. I hope it depreciates fast, cause I want one and don't want to wait

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[martinjlm]

Well the C8 is starting low for a reason. It probably will depreciate faster and be lower priced due to its low starting price. If marketing is to be believed.

You are correct. At least on the first part. It is priced low and there is a very good and very definite reason. There was a lot of discussion during the development of C8 that moving it too far up-market would alienate current Corvette owners / fans. There was also concern that going to a high revving DOHC would alienate current Corvette owners / fans who expected low end grunt. For longer than I would be allowed to say, there was a plan to continue C7 for a specified period of time so that "traditional" Corvette buyers could get a "traditional" Corvette and the targeted "new buyers" for C8 could get the mid-engine exotic-killer.

At some point, the plan changed and decisions were made to not produce both together AND to put an upgraded OHV in the Stingray trim, reserving the DOHC for the higher trim, higher performance models. By doing that, the price of the Stingray (incl Z51) could be kept within reach of the traditional Stingray buyers. They get to have their cake and eat it, too.

Even before C7, Tadge was on record as saying that the cost difference of going from front engine to mid-engine for C7 would have been around $5,000. Ironically, that's about how much higher than C7 the C8 Stingray and Z51 are priced. Personally, since I had knowledge of the $5,000 cost differential, I expected the "reasonable" price difference between front-engine and mid-engine to be at least $12 - 15,000 on the sticker, so the $60k base price was a pleasant surprise to me. Either they found a way to take more cost out of the development of the mid-engine platform or they consciously decided to pass along the cost increase at cost.

 

[Hack]

So $60k is the new "low"?

 

[EcoVert]

So $60k is the new "low"?

For 2020 only

https://www.motor1.com/news/365853/2021-chevrolet-corvette-price/

 

[martinjlm]

The floodgates have been opened....
https://www.motorauthority.com/news...vors-mid-engine-c-x75-concept-inspired-design
The team working on the redesign for the Jaguar F-Type sports car is reportedly looking at 2010's C-X75 concept car for inspiration.
The C-X75 is an extended-range electric supercar fitted with microturbines for range extenders. Jaguar started work on a production version with a plug-in hybrid powertrain utilizing a 2.0-liter inline-4 but ultimately canned the project in 2012 due to financial reasons. Now the car, or at least some of its design and technology, could be resurrected for a future F-Type.
Autocar reported Monday that the team working on the redesigned F-Type are deciding whether to stick with the current model's front-engine layout or swap to a mid-engine layout, and that the latter is the favored option. The mid-engine layout was also hinted by former Jaguar design chief Ian Callum as early as 2016.
The photo is of the 2010 C-X75 Concept from 2010.

 

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I should have stated clearly that this is a reaction to C8. Jaguar has been farting around with how to replace F-Type for years and now it looks like they're going to dust of their mid-engine concept from 2010.

 

[9secondko]

What is hard to believe is that the GT500 pulling 1.5 G cornering with 305’s or 315’s with 4200+ lbs weight. Those tires must have gorilla glue compound to stick like a glue.

Major credit goes to the suspension team. The S550 has a perfect footprint for roadholding. For whatever reason, Ford has kept thing on the softer side for most Mustangs in terms of spring and damping. But the GT350R shows what the platform is able to do when Forr believes it’s buyers want less comfort compromise. The 500 improves on that in both handling and comfort. Tires are always very important. But they are simply allowing the suspension to show what’s it’s made of.

The 500 is an amazing engineering effort.

 

[EcoVert]

The floodgates have been opened....
https://www.motorauthority.com/news...vors-mid-engine-c-x75-concept-inspired-design
The team working on the redesign for the Jaguar F-Type sports car is reportedly looking at 2010's C-X75 concept car for inspiration.
The C-X75 is an extended-range electric supercar fitted with microturbines for range extenders. Jaguar started work on a production version with a plug-in hybrid powertrain utilizing a 2.0-liter inline-4 but ultimately canned the project in 2012 due to financial reasons. Now the car, or at least some of its design and technology, could be resurrected for a future F-Type.
Autocar reported Monday that the team working on the redesigned F-Type are deciding whether to stick with the current model's front-engine layout or swap to a mid-engine layout, and that the latter is the favored option. The mid-engine layout was also hinted by former Jaguar design chief Ian Callum as early as 2016.
The photo is of the 2010 C-X75 Concept from 2010.

Hardly flood gates

 

[9secondko]

This thread has a lot to digest. I'm disappointed. What are my chances of getting a GT500? 0%. What are my chances of getting a C8? 100%. GM put the C8 out there at a remarkable MSRP and added the Z51 to every trim as an option. You'll pay from $65,000 to $77,000 for just the trim and the Z51. And anyone can order one. Ford started the GT500 sky high for just the low model. And what are my chances of getting one at MSRP or at all? The Chevy guys get incredible performance cars at low costs. But Ford does everything they can to keep up all in the GT or some version of the GT. And once you load up a GT you are only a few thousand bucks shy of a C8. And the C8 is going to outperform even the GT500 in some areas from what I read. Is Ford out of touch?

It’s more clever marketing from GM. THE 500 is easily worth $73k.

The C8 is being quoted with various price points and performance specs that are intermittently mismatched with the actual model you can buy.

0-60 times are one thing. Literally everything else? We know what time it is.

When the z06 comes out and is under 73k plus better performance... then we can talk. GM is betting on winning the speculation battle right now.

The base C8 is still a bargain. But it’s a bit of a Trojan horse. Let’s see what the worthwhile models cost and what they do.

Comparing cars like this is always interesting. On one hand you have a car that has 4 seats and is built to be an Amazing sports car around that concept. On the other hand, you have a two seat car that is built around that much smaller and lighter concept.

The fact that the 500 is being. Impaired to a different category of car - one that is in the same two seat company of Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. is testament to its greatness. And it isn’t even out yet.

GM has been in development hell with the mid engine vette for decades. Numerous attempts, delays, trips back to the drawing board, etc. finally we have something. And it seems to be good. How good? We don’t know yet. All we know is it has a good 0-60 time.

A couple important questions:

What compromises were made to get the base model so cheap?

Will the actual performance versions also be cheap? Or will they try to make up for dev costs with those models?

Hardly flood gates

LOL

Saw the single lonely photo. Then your comment. About died.

the funny thing is that neither mid-engine layout, nor electric engines are novel. The mid engine Ford GT was whooping Ferrari’s in the 60s while GMs mid engine Corvair was falling over and endangering lives. it only took them 40 years, but GM has finally caught up to Fords 1960s tech.
And in that article, all you learn is that jaguar in 2019 is inspired by themselves. From the past.

 

[Laststandard]

0-60 times are one thing. Literally everything else? We know what time it is.

If by everything else, you mean only 1/4 mile. Even the base C8 will beat it around a track. Hell, they didn't have to limit the top speed to 180 like Ford did with the GT500

GM has been in development hell with the mid engine vette for decades. Numerous attempts, delays, trips back to the drawing board, etc. finally we have something. And it seems to be good. How good? We don’t know yet. All we know is it has a good 0-60 time.

Have you driven a GT500? Have access to some information about it that's not public knowledge? There's just as much info on the C8 out there right now as there is for the GT500. And it wasn't released on some drawn out timeline.

A couple important questions:

What compromises were made to get the base model so cheap?

Will the actual performance versions also be cheap? Or will they try to make up for dev costs with those models?

Compromises? The GT500 is still stuck with the terrible Mustang interior..

Of course the performance versions will be more expensive. Just like the CFTP costing almost 20k for the GT500.

the funny thing is that neither mid-engine layout, nor electric engines are novel. The mid engine Ford GT was whooping Ferrari’s in the 60s while GMs mid engine Corvair was falling over and endangering lives. it only took them 40 years, but GM has finally caught up to Fords 1960s tech.
And in that article, all you learn is that jaguar in 2019 is inspired by themselves. From the past.

GT40 wasn't exactly a production car. And the Corvair was rear engined, not mid engine. I'm pretty sure that everyone here is well aware that the mid engine concept is not a novel one.

Ford has never had anything to compete with the Corvette. Even the current GT got spanked by the ZR1.

 

[ALUSA]

It came to my attention that people make the 4 seater vs 2 seater arguments. Lets do a reality check. The Carbon Fiber Track Pack Version GT500 deletes the rear seats making it a 2 seater from the factory, same as the GT350R. Comparing it to the 2 seater vette is a fair game but due to the pricing most likely more fair game compared to the upcoming C8 ZO6.

Now the ZL1 1LE 10 speed auto comes with rear seats from the factory making it a 4 seater unlike the GT500 CF Track Pack. So you can’t make the 4 seater vs 2 seater argument because the ZL1 1LE will automatically get eliminated from the comparison. How about damn apples?

 

[Hack]

Even the base C8 will beat it around a track.

I would take that bet. And you can't change the all-season tires or the brakes or any cooling in your track comparison between the base C8 and the GT500.

 

[EcoVert]

Ah yes, because the Camaro has such a luxurious and award winning interior. This is M6g, not C6g. Go bash cars you dont own somewhere else.

If he had a Mustang his buddy Blaqwhole would kick him off c6g and he couldn't Troll M6g anymore

 

[9secondko]

If by everything else, you mean only 1/4 mile. Even the base C8 will beat it around a track. Hell, they didn't have to limit the top speed to 180 like Ford did with the GT500



Have you driven a GT500? Have access to some information about it that's not public knowledge? There's just as much info on the C8 out there right now as there is for the GT500. And it wasn't released on some drawn out timeline.



Compromises? The GT500 is still stuck with the terrible Mustang interior..

Of course the performance versions will be more expensive. Just like the CFTP costing almost 20k for the GT500.



GT40 wasn't exactly a production car. And the Corvair was rear engined, not mid engine. I'm pretty sure that everyone here is well aware that the mid engine concept is not a novel one.

Ford has never had anything to compete with the Corvette. Even the current GT got spanked by the ZR1.

let’s see how the base compares to the 500 on the track...

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