I agree that the automatic shifting that the car's computer does of a DCT for the driver is way faster than anyone can shift a real manual transmission. I agree that more gears that DCT automatics have helps as well.
I don't care to stalk you or your posts.
The solenoids replace the lever acting on the drum. This enables paddle shifters or a electronic control module to command the shifts. It's crazy that you would lump the transmission of pretty much every motorcycle and most professional race transmissions in with an 'automatic'.
I wasn't replying to you, and that was a 2 part response: 1 - DCTs aren't automatic (even though you believe them to be). and 2 - DCTs aren't "generally faster" solely because they reduce the chance of driver error. They're outright faster at shifting and enable the use of more, closer spaced gear ratios -that's a fact.
A Lenco is a dog-ring sequential gearbox, even though it does not use a drum. Clutchflites are weird, defunct hybrids. I'm not sure how to categorize it. Maybe a "clutch-operated automatic" but even then, that's not technically accurate but it's far better than calling them both an "automatic".
If the 10r80 were going to shift faster and outperform the 7 speed why on earth didnt they just use the 10 speed in the new gt500? Because unlike everyone in this forum ford engineers have tested this specific transmission and know the performance is better on the 7speed. Common sense man!
I saw a Testarossa at a track day at the Autobahn country club track. It had lot of people around it wondering how expensive it was going to be to fix the cracked head as it steamed away. Looked impressive though...
I have no factual information but I would have to say the 10r80 would hold up better to mods because I feel it will have more aftermarket support with vendors. I would prefer a manual or 10r80 to the dct. I feel either would be more reliable, easier to upgrade, less expensive than the dct therefore might possibly bring the msrp down on the gt500.
DING DING DING! This guy gets itI don't care to stalk you or your posts.
Ok, so you're a turbo guy? How about ignorantly calling 'twin-scroll' turbos "twin-turbo" because they both technically have 2 of something, eg: Many my ecoboost mustang is a badass "twin turbo". My point is, you're hypocritical by being specific on one topic and intentionally ignorant on another (transmissions).
The solenoids replace the lever acting on the drum. This enables paddle shifters or a electronic control module to command the shifts. It's crazy that you would lump the transmission of pretty much every motorcycle and most professional race transmissions in with an 'automatic'.
Some BMWs have console mounted shifters so you can shift that way rather than the paddle shifters. But both are DBW systems and shouldn't mean anything in the classification of a transmission. If you still think a DCT could be made to be shifted mechanically with a lever and a pedal mounted clutch, you clearly do not understand how DCTs work.
But hey, if to you think a transmission with dog rings, synchros, and/or clutches, can still qualify it as an 'automatic', I have nothing for you.
I wasn't replying to you, and that was a 2 part response: 1 - DCTs aren't automatic (even though you believe them to be). and 2 - DCTs aren't "generally faster" solely because they reduce the chance of driver error. They're outright faster at shifting and enable the use of more, closer spaced gear ratios -that's a fact.
A Lenco is a dog-ring sequential gearbox, even though it does not use a drum. Clutchflites are weird, defunct hybrids. I'm not sure how to categorize it. Maybe a "clutch-operated automatic" but even then, that's not technically accurate but it's far better than calling them both an "automatic".
There's multiple examples of weird transmissions out there. I can't recall the car or transmission but you can pre-select a gear while already in another gear, and then once you push the clutch in, the transmission shifts into that gear and once you let the clutch back out, you're in that next gear, and can then select your next gear choice at any time. I'd have to see how it works to better define it, but it sure isn't accurate to call that an "automatic" either.
No. Normally aspirated. We have a car that's turbocharged (it's 6MT) specifically because the alternative powertrain combinations for that category of car were all hard deal-breakers.
What's crazy is the effort you're going to, to intentionally misunderstand what I'm posting.
Exactly the way I'd prefer to shift either a DCT or a conventional automatic. BMW might be on to something . . .
Wasn't me who brought DBW into this thread . . .
No reason it couldn't be accomplished. All you have to do is figure out how to move the shift forks or dogs into and out of engagement. I didn't say I had it worked out, only that it could be.
It doesn't matter how an automatic goes on to mechanically accomplish the gear change. "Automatic-ness" of a transmission lies in its ability to shift gears (ratios) with no input from you.
Wrong. It's a planetary-geared transmission. Read up on it here.
It shifts automatically. That makes the transmission part of it automatic.
The shift forks aren't the problem. What is a problem is the fact that a clutch pedal would render the purpose of a DCT useless, if you open both clutches at the same time so you can manually shift gears. At that point a standard manual is far less complex and lighter and has no disadvantages over your proposed pedal operated dual clutch transmission.
10R80 is a force to be reckoned with.
No. That would be a manual mode, which isn't the same thing (and doesn't need to have a companion automatic mode available). Though for some, I'm sure it'd be a good enough simulation.
Don't feel too bad, any more that's material for trivia games.
I think the trick in making it even possible would be to be able to simultaneously disengage the clutch to the gear you're shifting from while engaging the clutch to the gear you're shifting to. While still being able to disengage both at the same time.
Yup . . .
Until 3 to 4 lets go.
Yeah, mentioned in the "vs" thread, I mean, holy shit, the ZL1 1LE, has been the poster child for "Real track cars use manuals" (this almost has to be in response to the new GT500 ...)
