Why no performance pack for the automatic GT? (outside 50th ann. ed.)

[Husker]

No, I mean the equipment that the performance pack Mustang GTR comes with was intended for the organization SCCA. Not a particular class but ALL classes the '15 is eligible for. For example, the MGTR's rotors are the SCCA maximum permitted size (380mm). The maximum front tire size is a 275mm, 285/295 are the largest size permitted with a waiver. Ford selected the components that are part of the performance package to be in accordance with the entire SCCA's rulebook. The #1 issue buyers have at the track is brakes and tire compliance, also another area most overlook while registering for the season.

None of the R&D went into an automatic performance package because automatics are not widely used for track or competition. Maybe Ford should have released a Competition Package for the GT. I would like to see the Performance Package available for the auto equipped cars and just create a Competition Model (via Mustang GTR) for serious racers. In my eyes, the Performance Package isn't really a serious jab at real racing. It will outrun the outgoing Boss 302 Laguna Seca but, I would still make some changes come competition. Ford merely took the SCCA's rulebook into consideration when equipping the GT and GTPP. The base GT has also took those rules into consideration as well...

Ford equipped the base GT with 352mm disc in front and lower than the standard 355mm SCCA max. As I said, you can apply for a waiver to up the disc size to 380mm. When designing a car that will eventually go on to dominate a certain sport, its a good practice to actually cater to the governing bodies rulebook instead of leaving the customers figure it out themselves.

That said, if a competition model were offered, people would probably still ask where the automatic version is at. Unless it is a paddle shift sequential manual, it absolutely needs to be a manual. Full control of your downshifts is priority...

FYI: The GT350 may completely avoid a 305 front tire until the rules change and allow it. It's stupidity to buy a car for track/comp for $50,000 and have trouble at registration. What do you mean I need to change the tires??? I just bought the car, it is sold as a track car...

I would like to see a Drag Package come in a automatic... Something people here haven't considered:

The 1st gear ratio in the automatic is a steep 4.17 (3.6x-3.7x for the Getrag). Consider the results of a 3.73 running a 4.17 1st gear, it pretty much makes 1st gear useless. Bringing the 3.73 down just defeats the "Performance" in the package too... Gotta keep them revs up but, with an auto, it would be shift, shift, shift, shift, shift, shift, shift, shift, shift....

So...If you were considering the S_E Mustang, which transmission would you order for it?

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[thePill]

So...If you were considering the S_E Mustang, which transmission would you order for it?

What transmission would I order a Special Edition Mustang with? Depends on the name plate and purpose. Anything track, competition or road course would be a 6 speed. The Getrag even has an optimal gear set for performance, it only has one overdrive.

If there was a Special Edition GT500 Cobra Jet, I may consider an automatic. Anything Boss or GT350, Getrag... GT500 could go either way, if they also have a GT500KR to be just a "track" car, weekend strip magnet and street, I'd probably go Getrag as well.

Europeans wil not order an automatic transmission. They are rare in Germany, Italy, France and Spain.

 

[thePill]

Love to see a drag package too. And yes I have considered the steep ratio of 1st in the automatic. I think a 3.55 would be a steep as I'd want to go for what I use the car for. I'm assuming the auto will come with 3.31 gears or will it see 3.15's?

I'd keep those 3.73's and try a 28 inch diameter wheel/tire. I think the old. Brembo combo was 26.1.

Keep that 60 foot potential with the quick shifts with no gear shifting weight transfer. Also that steep 4.17 1st gear... The advantage goes to the Coyote Livonia over the Coyote Getrag in drag racing. Some classes prohibit an automatic though...

 

[Free Agent]

I'd keep those 3.73's and try a 28 inch diameter wheel/tire. I think the old. Brembo combo was 26.1.

Keep that 60 foot potential with the quick shifts with no gear shifting weight transfer. Also that steep 4.17 1st gear... The advantage goes to the Coyote Livonia over the Coyote Getrag in drag racing. Some classes prohibit an automatic though...

For a straight up 1/4 mile track car I'd say yes for sure. Mine may see the strip twice a year at most so the steep gears aren't that high on my list. Love to see a drag pack with 305 rubber stock on the rear, a setting to loosen up the front and stiffen the rear and maybe a beefier trans cooler with some weight taken out somewhere. Lighter wheels would be cool to.

 

[Gman11Gt]

Its only going to get more and more better from an Auto standpoint. GM/Ford building the 9speed and up will find its way into the Mustang at some point. Smooth, efficient, and most likely will be even a better trans for drag.

 

[Grimace427]

So...If you were considering the S_E Mustang, which transmission would you order for it?

Getrag V160.

I'd keep those 3.73's and try a 28 inch diameter wheel/tire. I think the old. Brembo combo was 26.1.

The previous Brembo tire was 255/40/19 which is 27" tall. The 2015 with PP has 275/40/19 tires which are 27.7" tall.

For a straight up 1/4 mile track car I'd say yes for sure. Mine may see the strip twice a year at most so the steep gears aren't that high on my list. Love to see a drag pack with 305 rubber stock on the rear, a setting to loosen up the front and stiffen the rear and maybe a beefier trans cooler with some weight taken out somewhere. Lighter wheels would be cool to.

Unless those 305 tires were soft sidewalls on small(15-17") wheels they will still turn to smoke if you just tried to gun it. Street tires suck for drag racing no matter how wide they are. Drag tires rock at drag racing(duh) even when they aren't super wide. 275/60/16 MT drag radials have gone 7's in the 1/4 mile.

Better for Ford to release a drag pack with normal tires and let the customer mount proper tires for actual drag use.

 

[Free Agent]

Unless those 305 tires were soft sidewalls on small(15-17") wheels they will still turn to smoke if you just tried to gun it. Street tires suck for drag racing no matter how wide they are. Drag tires rock at drag racing(duh) even when they aren't super wide. 275/60/16 MT drag radials have gone 7's in the 1/4 mile.

Better for Ford to release a drag pack with normal tires and let the customer mount proper tires for actual drag use.

Of course slicks are the best. Ford isn't going to mount drag slicks on stock rim and sell it to the public stock or even drag radials for that matter. A wide (and light) rear wheel, preferably 17 or 18 inches with 305 width tires is going to hook up on stock rubber better than a heavier 20 inch wheel with 275's. Some of us do run street tires at the track as we only run a couple of times a year. If I were racing for money I'd invest in a set of slicks on lighter and smaller rears with skinnies up front. But I'm not. 305's in the rear would make for a cool addition to a drag pack. A higher stall converter would be sweet as well but would probably be asking too much mileage wise from Ford.

A drag pack with smaller normal tires wouldn't be a drag pack, it would be a stock GT. Believe me, I get your point but the same could be said about everything else in a drag pack. Better to give the customer stock gears and let them pick out their own higher ratio ones. Better to give the customer stock rear springs and let them pick out their own stiffer rear ones. Beter to give the customer the stock transmission cooler and let them pick out their own higher cooling one. See what I mean? ;)

 

[Grimace427]

A drag pack with smaller normal tires wouldn't be a drag pack, it would be a stock GT. Believe me, I get your point but the same could be said about everything else in a drag pack. Better to give the customer stock gears and let them pick out their own higher ratio ones. Better to give the customer stock rear springs and let them pick out their own stiffer rear ones. Better to give the customer the stock transmission cooler and let them pick out their own higher cooling one. See what I mean? ;)

Exaggerating a bit. Look into the 1969 SCJ Drag Pack. Not perfect, but the idea I was intending. For drag racing, it isn't about getting the parts that make the car fast but rather the parts that won't break. You can make anything fast.

Don't waste your time and money giving the customer expensive tires that aren't suited for the intended purpose.

 

[Stevefreestyle]

I am hoping this is a misprint but I don't think it is. Why in the Hell would Ford do this? I hate to say it but this may be a deal breaker for me.

Do you think we automatic fans will still be able to order a Brembo Brake package with the brakes and gloss black wheels as an option?

Will we be able to order the 2 dash gauges as an option?

Will we be able to order the PP front splitter as an option?

If we can order these ala cart I will be satisfied, but if I'm not allowed to order these options, Ford may have lost a potential customer. It is that big a deal breaker for me. I hate to say it, but it is.

Any long time Mustang fans think there is any hope for my above guesses. I truly want to own a Mustang but if I'm denied a couple of these "must have" options I may go elsewhere. Sorry to bitch but I've been thinking we would have the PP available to automatic owners. :( :( :(

Apologies if this has already been stated, however Australia gets the Brembo Pkg (380mm) standard - with a choice of Paddle-Shift Auto OR Manual.

So, as they will be manufactured in the Auto & Brebmo Pkg configuration - why not also for the home US market ?

I suspect Ford are being deliberately coy...

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[gojensen]

Europeans wil not order an automatic transmission. They are rare in Germany, Italy, France and Spain.

Historically true for some reason, however ... more and more new cars come with autos, and especially the higher end performance cars, and of course all the electrics (which was about every other car here last year).

 

[Stevefreestyle]

What transmission would I order a Special Edition Mustang with? Depends on the name plate and purpose. Anything track, competition or road course would be a 6 speed. The Getrag even has an optimal gear set for performance, it only has one overdrive.

If there was a Special Edition GT500 Cobra Jet, I may consider an automatic. Anything Boss or GT350, Getrag... GT500 could go either way, if they also have a GT500KR to be just a "track" car, weekend strip magnet and street, I'd probably go Getrag as well.

Europeans wil not order an automatic transmission. They are rare in Germany, Italy, France and Spain.

On the contrary - the opposite is the case.......

Report: No more manual transmission option for next BMW M5, M6

True automotive enthusiasts stood up in applause when BMW announced earlier this year that it will be offering a 6-speed manual in the new M5 sedan – only problem is that no one really purchased it and that is leading BMW to drop manual transmissions in the next-generation M5 and M6.
Check out the Top 10 things you need to know about the 2013 BMW M5.


According to the head of engineering at M, Albert Biermann, there are no plans to offer a manual transmission in the next-generation BMW M5 or M6 because the take rate is very low to justify the additional work.


“Last year, maybe 15-20 percent of our M5s in the U.S. were manuals and maybe this year it will be 15 percent. It’s declining,” Biermann told Inside Line. “The trouble is that nobody wants it in Europe or anywhere else, so this will be the last time we do it, even for the hard-core U.S. buyers.”
He said that while the manual is a no-cost option it is very difficult for M to produce.

Posted: Jun 22, 2012- By: Omar Rana

http://www.egmcartech.com/2012/06/22/report-no-more-manual-transmission-option-for-next-bmw-m5-m6/

 

[Wildcat]

Because that's what Ford is offering? I'm positive that they have viable reasons for not offering it, if that ends up being the case.

What viable reasons would those be? A sudden rise in interest for sticks? Because that's not happening. Each and every year manuals become less popular.

People keep saying there's market reasons why Ford would do this; I'd sure like to see that data instead of forum speculation.

This decision strikes me as a bone tossed to hard core enthusiasts. Well I'm not a hard core enthusiast, and most of the people buying these cars aren't either.

 

[Free Agent]

but rather the parts that won't break.

Agree with you on this one.

Don't waste your time and money giving the customer expensive tires that aren't suited for the intended purpose.

Have to disagree with you on this one.

Its really a moot point anyway as it is doubtful Ford is going to offer a Drag Pack. We can pick up our discussion if they ever offer it.

 

[Grimace427]

Agree with you on this one.



Have to disagree with you on this one.

Its really a moot point anyway as it is doubtful Ford is going to offer a Drag Pack. We can pick up our discussion if they ever offer it.

Maybe Ford Racing will offer a package. Will have to see the limitations of the IRS first.

 

[genericuser1]

I hope they decide to release specs soon. I'd like to know if a loaded GT convertible is in the running or not for my next car. I don't want one watered down just because its a convertible or could be an auto.

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