Uh.....Guys?

[Condor1970]

How about posting a video to prove what you are saying?

As I said, perhaps the noise is coming from the AC components.... in that case sure, it makes sense.

You're kidding right? If you need to feel better about yourself, why not ask Ford to personally send you a video showing why they authorized the 12-8-14 TSB then?
I suppose FoMoCo, LMR, and Tasca all sell this Ford OEM kit for the same engine, for the exact same reason in their description, just to scam people out of money? Alrighty then.
I'm not a child. I don't have any narcissistic desire to post online videos.
If you don't want to believe me, that's fine. However, I'm not going to waste my time with this, nor take time to post all this, if it was some kind of scam or personal placebo effect.
I'm telling you what I did, and telling you the result. If you don't want to believe it, that's your own personal issue to deal with.

And I'm telling you, this tick, which I think is actually piston slap is not coming from the A/C components. When I added 1/2 bottle of Ceratec, it subdued the ticking a noticeable amount, but fo course just covered up some of the noise from the piston slap. What really made a noticeable difference is adding a tension arm to the A/C compressor to help even out the tension placed on the crankshaft. That's the only explanation after knowing this noise is INTERNAL to the engine, and not from an auxiliary component.

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[gimmie11s]

You're kidding right? If you need to feel better about yourself, why not ask Ford to personally send you a video showing why they authorized the 12-8-14 TSB then?
I suppose FoMoCo, LMR, and Tasca all sell this Ford OEM kit for the same engine, for the exact same reason in their description, just to scam people out of money? Alrighty then.
I'm not a child. I don't have any narcissistic desire to post online videos.
If you don't want to believe me, that's fine. However, I'm not going to waste my time with this, nor take time to post all this, if it was some kind of scam or personal placebo effect.
I'm telling you what I did, and telling you the result. If you don't want to believe it, that's your own personal issue to deal with.

No narcissistic desire to post videos yet a very healthy narcissistic desire to post threads about a “fix” only to amend your position the next day after the “rain stops”.

LMAO! Good for you sir.

 

[Condor1970]

No narcissistic desire to post videos yet a very healthy narcissistic desire to post threads about a “fix” only to amend your position the next day after the “rain stops”.

LMAO! Good for you sir.

Yes, I have a healthy desire to write, but not plaster my face all over the internet.

When someone actually makes an effort to help, yet gets constantly berated from someone who knows nothing about engineering (or you would explain why I'm wrong)...what's that called again kids? Oh yeah...Trolling.

If it made no difference, I would gladly say so. I have no vested interest in this, other than to tell everyone what I did, and what changed. Only to possibly help out some others with the same issue.

 

[gimmie11s]

Yes, I have a healthy desire to write, but not plaster my face all over the internet.

When someone actually makes an effort to help, yet gets constantly berated from someone who knows nothing about engineering (or you would explain why I'm wrong)...what's that called again kids? Oh yeah...Trolling.

If it made no difference, I would gladly say so. I have no vested interest in this, other than to tell everyone what I did, and what changed. Only to possibly help out some others with the same issue.

Scroll up. I explained exactly why you’re wrong.

You don’t have to believe it... you are quite happy with your narcissistic self already and what you have accomplished LOL!

Sorry you don’t do well with opposing opinions.

Why are you so easily triggered by facts?

Do the words “President” and “Trump” being used together bother you too?

 

[Condor1970]

Scroll up. I explained exactly why you’re wrong.

You don’t have to believe it... you are quite happy with your narcissistic self already and what you have accomplished LOL!

Sorry you don’t do well with opposing opinions.

Why are you so easily triggered by facts?

Do the words “President” and “Trump” being used together bother you too?

The fact that you're dragging our President into this is a good example of what I'm talking about. What the heck is wrong with you?

You mention your reasoning, but then flat out told me I'm wrong. That's not an opinion or a discussion. It's just rude. It's one thing to offer an opinion, it's another to just insult people by telling them they're wrong without actually conducting the same experiment to prove or disprove the results. Or looking at the real authorized TSB history by the manufacturer themselves. It's like stating in no uncertain terms with no engineering knowledge that the new 5.0L engine can't put out 460hp, just because you "think" the intake is too small. Yet you have no personal experience, data or experimentation to prove otherwise.

Oh, and if you want to talk politics and insult our President, go to a different forum.

And like I said, everything I did and assume to be part of the issue is the result of real research, and using real personal experimental data and TSB's released by the manufacturer themselves. I didn't just make this up, nor would I waste my time doing so.

 

[gimmie11s]

The fact that you're dragging our President into this is a good example of what I'm talking about. What the heck is wrong with you?

You mention your reasoning, but then flat out told me I'm wrong. That's not an opinion or a discussion. It's just rude. It's one thing to offer an opinion, it's another to just insult people by telling them they're wrong without actually conducting the same experiment to prove or disprove the results. Or looking at the real authorized TSB history by the manufacturer themselves. It's like stating in no uncertain terms with no engineering knowledge that the new 5.0L engine can't put out 460hp, just because you "think" the intake is too small. Yet you have no personal experience, data or experimentation to prove otherwise.

Oh, and if you want to talk politics and insult our President, go to a different forum.

And like I said, everything I did and assume to be the cause is the result of real research, and using real personal experimental data and TSB's released by the manufacturer themselves. I didn't just make this up, nor would I waste my time doing so.

Yeah... you completely missed the mark on the President comment, never mind.

If you think a rubber belt and tensioner are stronger and better positioned to align a Coyote crank, then I have some beach front property for you in Afghanistan.

I like the fact that you are still arguing yet your “update” post today says that the tick remains.

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[Condor1970]

Yeah... you completely missed the mark on the President comment, never mind.

If you think a rubber belt and tensioner are stronger and better positioned to align a Coyote crank, then I have some beach front property for you in Afghanistan.

I like the fact that you are still arguing yet your “update” post today says that the tick remains.

El
Oh
El

I never said it was a complete fix. I said it "helps" with the noise. I NEVER once stated the piston slap was completely gone. It has gone away in certain areas, but not all of it. I made that VERY clear.

The reason why it may help is because it applies tension in the right direction to help keep the crankshaft centered. When the crankshaft is riding in the bearings, it's actually "floating" on a cushioned layer of oil.

So YES, if you pull hard to one side on the front, a heavy object floating on a layer of oil will shift. Even if it's only a thousandth of an inch.

 

[Cobra Jet]

@Condor1970 - excellent tech thread and helpful information for other 2018/19 owners to try out for themselves.

Also, don’t feed the Troll anymore; thats exactly what he wants, the attention and banter so he continues agitate but offers NOTHING of value to the thread or topic at hand - place on ignore.

Back to the topic of your findings and results:
Suppose a 2018/19 Owner does have the “tick”, for quick diagnosis purposes couldn’t they essentially remove the A/C belt and run the car to see if the tick dissipates or goes away? I’m only throwing this out there because it should produce the same results since there would not be any additional resistance on the rotating mass due to the A/C belt being completely removed.

It’s defintley a very interesting finding - Ford would NOT have issued a TSB Back then for the 11-14 5.0 if their Engineers didn’t feel that by adding the additional pulley tensioner it produced positive results through diagnosis and testing.

 

[bootlegger]

Yeah... you completely missed the mark on the President comment, never mind.

If you think a rubber belt and tensioner are stronger and better positioned to align a Coyote crank, then I have some beach front property for you in Afghanistan.

I like the fact that you are still arguing yet your “update” post today says that the tick remains.

El
Oh
El

You would be surprised how a little side loading can effect very rigid systems. I have solid hardened steel bodied injectors that have extreme wear just due to 20Nm side loading over suggested HP connector force. On moving mechanical systems with tight internal tolerances, balance is key.

 

[Jetnoise]

Condor I appreciate your enthusiasm and passion to resolve this issue.

 

[GT Pony]

Suppose a 2018/19 Owner does have the “tick”, for quick diagnosis purposes couldn’t they essentially remove the A/C belt and run the car to see if the tick dissipates or goes away? I’m only throwing this out there because it should produce the same results since there would not be any additional resistance on the rotating mass due to the A/C belt being completely removed.

What's weird is some guys have no tick with the AC off, but then hit the AC button and the tick appear. Don't think that happens with everyone with the tick, but it's something I've seen in quite a few ticking videos.

@Condor1970, did your tick come and go with the AC turned on and off? I don't recall if you covered that aspect.

 

[Condor1970]

@Condor1970 - excellent tech thread and helpful information for other 2018/19 owners to try out for themselves.

Also, don’t feed the Troll anymore; thats exactly what he wants, the attention and banter so he continues agitate but offers NOTHING of value to the thread or topic at hand - place on ignore.

Back to the topic of your findings and results:
Suppose a 2018/19 Owner does have the “tick”, for quick diagnosis purposes couldn’t they essentially remove the A/C belt and run the car to see if the tick dissipates or goes away? I’m only throwing this out there because it should produce the same results since there would not be any additional resistance on the rotating mass due to the A/C belt being completely removed.

It’s defintley a very interesting finding - Ford would NOT have issued a TSB Back then for the 11-14 5.0 if their Engineers didn’t feel that by adding the additional pulley tensioner it produced positive results through diagnosis and testing.

Yes. In fact the old TSB is very specific during the procedure to remove the A/C belt to see if any difference is noticed. If so, then proceed to install the new tension arm.

I think that may give a good indication it will help. However, I suppose it could also still be an issue, since removing the one belt then allows all the tension to be in the opposite direction. Installing the new tension arm and belt, balances it out more properly, imo. I could be totally wrong with that theory though.

I did not bother to do that part of just removing one belt, because I personally would like to have a tension arm installed anyway, instead of a stretchy belt to make it easier to replace belts in the future. Plus, I just think using a tension arm is better engineering. Using a stretchy belt just seems like a quick and cheesy way to get results. In doing so, it seems like the easy route can sometimes aggrevate other potential problems. ie. an existing cylindricity issue with piston slap noise.

 

[Condor1970]

What's weird is some guys have no tick with the AC off, but then hit the AC button and the tick appear. Don't think that happens with everyone with the tick, but it's something I've seen in quite a few ticking videos.

@Condor1970, did your tick come and go with the AC turned on and off? I don't recall if you covered that aspect.

Yeah, it made no difference in mine either.

 

[choate]

No narcissistic desire to post videos yet a very healthy narcissistic desire to post threads about a “fix” only to amend your position the next day after the “rain stops”.

LMAO! Good for you sir.

He’ll never figure out his tick but he will write VERY long responses about it. SVTP FTW btw. I like your new car btw man. Hope it doesn’t have too much engine rattle and may your AC belt not force tour crankshaft out of line lol

 

[gimmie11s]

He’ll never figure out his tick but he will write VERY long responses about it. SVTP FTW btw. I like your new car btw man. Hope it doesn’t have too much engine rattle and may your AC belt not force tour crankshaft out of line lol

Right!? This forum is pretty funny.

Some interesting folks over here LOL.

Thanks for the kind words... you still have your coyote car and the terminator?

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