This GD False Knock...

[markmurfie]

Let me put it in easy terms for you! You dont know what your talking about! But whatever helps you sleep at night!

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I respect you disagree with me. I have a simple explanation of why I think what I think. You explanation of why I'm wrong being "your wrong" is unsatisfactory. From a third party perspective I wonder who really looks like they have no idea what they are talking about.

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[highvoltage]

I dont care what a third party thinks. Because im not selling tunes. Im not making tunes. The fact is if they are happy ok. But to be upset at something that is perfectly fine then ill let them know. If they want to take away hp then thats on them.

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[Rhinogt]

Well murphie I know YOU know what you are talking about, from a third party perspective, of course.

 

[markmurfie]

If I buy something I usually like to know how to determine if I'm getting what I paid for. This isn't about building tunes. It's about you being okay with a tuner causing your engine to knock all of its life. A short life it will be. Idk maybe you had to grow up before leaded gasoline to understand how bad knock truly is for an engine. With the tolerance levels and power out put of a modern engine it is truly more important today than ever back then.

 

[Obsol3te]

I have no problem with dyno numbers. Its a measurement nothing wrong with that. Just have to understand not all dynos use the same scale. doesnt make the before and after measurement less accurate on the same dyno. Any actual dyno will be better than a butt dyno. Just wondered if you had knock and you re-tuned it to have less knock are you actually making it perform better or just making the numbers in the ECU happier. Either way KNOCK is bad but whats causing the knock can have a big difference or no difference in the end result when you figure out what makes the knock go away.

Yes, fully understood. I was re dynoing after every mod. 403whp with just a tune on 93. Then came a full exhaust, and it only made 11whp over nothing done to the car. Looked further into it and find out why. I haven't been to the dyno since adding my "cai" I was waiting until the knock problem was resolved. But, hopefully this car is good to go now and I'm making around 430-440whp on 93. It's really not going to matter too much anyways. I should be boosted by the end of the month

 

[highvoltage]

If I buy something I usually like to know how to determine if I'm getting what I paid for. This isn't about building tunes. It's about you being okay with a tuner causing your engine to knock all of its life. A short life it will be. Idk maybe you had to grow up before leaded gasoline to understand how bad knock truly is for an engine. With the tolerance levels and power out put of a modern engine it is truly more important today than ever back then.

Again have you seen a stock tune from the factory? Seems like you havent. There is tons of knock. Well above 6. If your always negative your leaving way to much on the table. To bounce up in the +3 range is fine. Maybe you think i said run at 3 all the time. You are fine if it hits there occasionally. Obviously 0 knock in most cases is great. But Wot if you see a few blips of 1,2,3 your fine.

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[markmurfie]

Again have you seen a stock tune from the factory? Seems like you havent. There is tons of knock. Well above 6. If your always negative your leaving way to much on the table. To bounce up in the +3 range is fine. Maybe you think i said run at 3 all the time. You are fine if it hits there occasionally. Obviously 0 knock in most cases is great. But Wot if you see a few blips of 1,2,3 your fine.

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I have and considering stock is very conservative I have never seen that kind of knock from the tune. It was always external like bad quality fuel, rattling engine parts, ect.
Or just a lack of understanding about torque sources.

 

[highvoltage]

Seen it on Eco and 5.0 engines. No bad gas. It was seen from various persons vehicles. Its been well documented with my friends and tuner of over 20+yrs.

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[highvoltage]

Anyways enough of the back and forth. We obviously disagree. I know my reasons and feel 1000% confident in my reasoning and data to prove it. Yal have a good night

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[markmurfie]

Anyways enough of the back and forth. We obviously disagree. I know my reasons and feel 1000% confident in my reasoning and data to prove it. Yal have a good night

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We disagree totally. I'm just going to say I'm not going to rely on a sensor that is widely known to have false readings to save the life of my engine. Even at the expense of a negligible amount of HP. less than can be accurately measured.

 

[Higgs Boson]

Anyways enough of the back and forth. We obviously disagree. I know my reasons and feel 1000% confident in my reasoning and data to prove it. Yal have a good night

you are so wrong.:headbonk:

lots of stock tunes have spark knock because they are not calibrated on pump gas, they use a control fuel and give the ECM ample room to add or remove spark lead based on knock and no knock. a factory tune that knocks will soon enough not knock as the ECM will pull that spark lead right out. it sounds to me like you have seen your buddy reset his knock learn and go hammer it and see some knock. that doesn't mean anything.

your posts are without substance and are highly emotional which tell all of us that you are really passionate but also tell us that you are without the necessary knowledge to have an educated discussion on the topic which leads us to disregard your posts.

by the way, have you never heard the phrase, "she ran best just before she blew?" sure you can get pump gas to knock by adding spark lead, any bonehead can do that. the trick is finding MBT (which you need to google) before you find your fuel's knock limit. what method do you use to do that?

Here, read this and don't talk to me until you have and understand it fully.
http://liu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:23960/FULLTEXT01.pdf

 

[markmurfie]

you are so wrong.:headbonk:

lots of stock tunes have spark knock because they are not calibrated on pump gas, they use a control fuel and give the ECM ample room to add or remove spark lead based on knock and no knock. a factory tune that knocks will soon enough not knock as the ECM will pull that spark lead right out. it sounds to me like you have seen your buddy reset his knock learn and go hammer it and see some knock. that doesn't mean anything.

your posts are without substance and are highly emotional which tell all of us that you are really passionate but also tell us that you are without the necessary knowledge to have an educated discussion on the topic which leads us to disregard your posts.

by the way, have you never heard the phrase, "she ran best just before she blew?" sure you can get pump gas to knock by adding spark lead, any bonehead can do that. the trick is finding MBT (which you need to google) before you find your fuel's knock limit. what method do you use to do that?

He doesn't tune he said that. But we need to some how get rid of the idea positive knock is ok. People are buying tunes and are being told that it's okay. These tuners need to stop. As you can see from this thread one performance tune doesnt fit all. Luckily this guy had a tune from Lund and he knew how to properly tune out positive knock.

 

[Higgs Boson]

He doesn't tune he said that. But we need to some how get rid of the idea positive knock is ok. People are buying tunes and are being told that it's okay. These tuners need to stop. As you can see from this thread one performance tune doesnt fit all. Luckily this guy had a tune from Lund and he knew how to properly tune out positive knock.

I know he doesn't tune, which makes his "1000% confident, no one tell me nothing" attitude all the more ridiculous. I know he's not going to read two sentences from the link I posted even though if he did he could at least open one eye.

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[Rhinogt]

Or he could google the "coyote cylinder 8" from back in the day. It was caused by BAD tuners allowing knock to occur.

 

[boxstang40]

Well youre misinformed! A bit of positive knock is fine. And without it you leave power on the table!!

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Lol at this and and other dumbass comment you make :lol:. Good stuff man. I gotta go now. Gonna research how to get more knock retard so i can go faster.

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