Theoretical Idea

[NoVaGT]

Put the GT500s DCT in a standard PP1 Mustang GT.

The GT500 review I saw pegged it's 0-60MPH at 3.4 seconds. If a 10A GT PP1 car can do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, I'm thinking a DCT GT PP1 car could do virtually the same time.

Thoughts? Arguments?

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[I Bleed Ford Blue]

Why bother. If the DCT doesn't show any significant gain, what's the point. Putting a DCT in a standard GT would only increase cost and have minimal if any gain in 0-60 times.

 

[bknight21]

I think it would be a cool swap but pricey. I would be curious to see how much quicker it would make the 0-60 time with all things remaining the same besides transmission. It would however make the driving experience a lot better. The 10speed certainly isn’t bad compared to other automatics but DCT’s are next level, especially when using the paddle shifters.

 

[Hack]

I think the limiting factor for 0-60 is traction. If you can swap tires on the PP1 GT and get the gearing right it could be quicker than the GT500 to 60 if the GT500 is limited to factory tires. Maybe. But a big part of it is probably also how the engine computer reacts to a lack of traction vs. if you have to manually manage it with your foot.

I think the modern 10 speed slush box automatic is probably as quick as the DCT automatic for accelerating a car. It might actually be quicker due to the torque converter and the way the shifts happen - assuming it's well set up. And I think Ford's 10 speed in the Mustang is very well set up.

 

[Mikepol2]

I think the limiting factor for 0-60 is traction.

For sure. Another thread has an article from one of the car magazines where it tested a GT with an aftermarket supercharger at 700+ hp, and it was 0.2 sec slower to 60 than a GT500 but only 0.2 faster than a stock GT. Makes you wonder if $6,000+ for a blower on a GT is really worth it.

 

[War-Machine]

For sure. Another thread has an article from one of the car magazines where it tested a GT with an aftermarket supercharger at 700+ hp, and it was 0.2 sec slower to 60 than a GT500 but only 0.2 faster than a stock GT. Makes you wonder if $6,000+ for a blower on a GT is really worth it.

What tune was it running? I read a thread here the other day that people were saying the Roush tunes (or at least previous versions of them) were cutting power at certain RPMs to where they were sometimes being beat by NA GT's or were not as fast as they potentially could be.

I imagine if you just opted for a better tune it would be on par with the GT500 depending on what hardware you were using.

 

[Dominant1]

The dct trans is 70lbs heavier then the 10r80, and at this point you cant tune it to dead leave without lag..

 

[IamCDNJosh]

The advantages of a DCT are going to be felt more at the track (road course) than at the dragstrip.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Makes you wonder if $6,000+ for a blower on a GT is really worth it.

It is, if you're interested in more than just the 0-60 time on a specially prepared drag strip.
In real-life driving, where performance is more about 40 to 80 or 60 to 100 than about 0 to 60, I'd wager that a blower will make a noticeable difference.

 

[Bikeman315]

In real-life driving, where performance is more about 40 to 80 or 60 to 100 than about 0 to 60

Not sure what the speed limits are in Bucharest, but here in the good old USofA we do not spend a lot of time going from 60 to 100. Except in Mexico, of course.

 

[Mikepol2]

It is, if you're interested in more than just the 0-60 time on a specially prepared drag strip.
In real-life driving, where performance is more about 40 to 80 or 60 to 100 than about 0 to 60, I'd wager that a blower will make a noticeable difference.

Guess it all depends on where you do most of your driving. 99% of my driving is on roads where the max speed limit is 45 mph and lots of traffic lights, so it would probably be smarter for me to spend money on traction than a blower.

 

[Meatball]

Guess it all depends on where you do most of your driving. 99% of my driving is on roads where the max speed limit is 45 mph and lots of traffic lights, so it would probably be smarter for me to spend money on traction than a blower.

I agree with Vlad. 0-60 is a bad metric, it’s either spinning or over in a flash. Going to higher speeds so you can wind it out a bit in 2nd or 3rd is way more fun. That’s the case stock too...when stock my car was fun but couldn’t really show its potential in the city. Even now supercharged it’s fun but over too quickly. Way too quickly. Need a strip or open road to have fun in a stock coyote, esp boosted. If I never left the city I’d probably have bought a FiST and mildly built it. More time to enjoy the lower gears, “more fun driving a slow car fast”, etc.

The power curve of the gen3 coyote, by the way, pretty clearly designed for the A10. That flat stretch from about 5500 to redline let’s the 10R80 stay near peak power during a pull. The 6M and probably any other auto would drop off after shifting. That’s why the A10 is so much faster in the quarter than the manual GT but the Camaro’s a10 isn’t much if any faster than their manual.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Not sure what the speed limits are in Bucharest, but here in the good old USofA we do not spend a lot of time going from 60 to 100. Except in Mexico, of course.

 

[Bikeman315]

Vlad driving to work.

 

[bnightstar]

Put the GT500s DCT in a standard PP1 Mustang GT.

The GT500 review I saw pegged it's 0-60MPH at 3.4 seconds. If a 10A GT PP1 car can do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, I'm thinking a DCT GT PP1 car could do virtually the same time.

Thoughts? Arguments?

Don't know if you manage to catch the Sorted or Not show on Youtube but the Benchmark car was GT500 and one of the modded cars was a Whipple GT350R which made more HP but was somehow slower than the GT500 at 60 to 150 by like 1 second (DCT vs TR3160). We can assume that the difference between DCT and A10 will be very small like milliseconds small.

So my thoughts are that no reason to spend all this money on a DCT if you already have A10.

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