The Trinity fits (Dave Perciak)

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  1. 86GT

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    Personally I don't want to see the Trinity in there. It's old tech and imho doesn't fit with the new image of the car or Fords goals for the car. I'd prefer to see the supposed N/A Voodoo as opposed to boost right off the bat.
     
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    You will see a halo n/a car.
    But, im curious as to what you classify as old tech about the condor family?
     
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    A halo car? Could there also be a FI halo car, too?

    We did have the Boss 302 and GT500 at the same time previously.......

    :)
     
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    Yup:gossip: me too!
     
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    Lighter? Maybe not. At the press briefing, the Ford people were all told to not mention weight at all. When pressed, they said they "met their goals" for the project, and those goals were the driving character of the car - not weight specifically. So weight is not being discussed. And all the electronic accessories and the cooled seats will just add more weight.
    And they are still figuring out option mix, so an exact final weight is not available yet. When pressed for a weight of just the body shell, they wouldn't talk. The operative message is that it doesn't matter.
    Which is a shame, because the next Camaro is going to a far more chassis. Whatever they do, it *will* weight less than it does now, and a lot less.
     
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    They have said "weight goals"... Whatever that means. I've seen it more then once.
    -When asked if the 2015 Mustang is lighter, the engineers told us “it is within our goals for weight.”-
    http://www.bbkperformance.com/blog/?p=1176

    Either they are holding out a pleasant surprise, or they want to demonstrate the performance capabilities before admitting it hasn't lightened up.
     
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    Just the modular design in general, notably the long stroke that limits it's rpm. I know they have the current GT500 listed at 7,000rpm but it's really an "over rev" feature they created by reducing the weight of the pistons/rings. I don't think it's bad by any means, and think it could deserve a place in a bruiser like the Mach 1. I'd also prefer to see a set of turbos on the 5.0 rather than the supercharge on a 5.8. Overall I do believe the 5.0 is a more capable motor to work off of.

    I'm glad we're seeing an N/A halo car. I loved the 96-01 4V Cobra's and the 03-04 Mach 1s.
     
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    From a Q&A with Ford Project Lead Prakash Patel...
    Now if gaining weight is considered very aggressive, then I want some of the stuff the Mustang team is smoking. :headbonk:
     
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    I've seen many comments that it is wider, but is it shorter than the S197?
     
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    No
     
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    Less than an inch shorter.
     
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    So shorter... and lower. Now consider this car is, for lack of a better word, pointy-er and I think there is some real mass reduction in length and height.
     
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    It is more angular both front and rear I believe. That's why you can't just focus on overall length. The corners have been shed, makes a difference in lesser visual bulk.

    That said, to get back on topic, the corner cutting of the engine bay is part of the reason the topic of this thread and whether the Trinity engine would fit.
     
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    +1 Coming from the 5.4L Supercharged, I'm hoping to see a Turbo 5.0 with same or more power, and 2-3mpg better gas mileage. I daily drive this car, about 1200 a month, I definitely love the power, and don't want to give that up, but would love to save a few bucks a month on gas.
     
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    There have been talks of single and twin (but the latter more dominantly) turbo applications. A good example is the Cobra Jet concept, although the setup used there is completely unstreet-able, the thought is there. There are also large amounts of discussion on when/if to give the voodoo FI. The discussion on a turbo voodoo has been solely twins.

    Still trying to figure out exactly what voodoo is though :)

    Whatever it is, I fully expect to see the n/a halo car at or before the new camaro, and as soon as Al tries to toot his own horn with the alpha chassis gen 6, for Ford to drop the real Hi-Po halo car on his parade.
     
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    Lack of Ti-VCT for one. A stroke that's longer than even pretty much any old school big block for another.
     
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    I still think the Roadrunner is wider than the Trinity. Plus dropping the 661HP (let's run up to 666, shall we?) beast in the new better balanced and handling Mustang would cause Camaro fanboy heads to explode. Nothing against the Camaro, mind, I just abhor dim-witted fanboys of any stripe.
     
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    Glad to see someone else in agreement. If they do end up with a single or twin turbo, I hope they stray from the ecoboost formula a little bit. In most circumstances, 90% of available torque at 1500rpm is awesome. Especially when it's under 300ftlbs. But if they end up pushing over 475+ ftlbs of torque at 1500rpm, people are just going to have traction problems like they have on the factory supercharged cars since 2007. I'm not saying I want a ton of turbo lag, but peak torque closer to 3700rpm would be nice imho.
     
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    Whether it will fit or not the Trinity engine is 100% done. Trust me, you will not see it used in the S550.
     
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