Tech Pack Transmission Data Point

[MSMStannyl]

You should NEVER buy a first model year. People make this mistake over and over and over again and its always the same sad story. Every car manufacturer from Chevy to BMW to Porsche (and Ford is no exception) has had similar issues. I guess its part of western culture/1st world problems of "I have to have something" attitude.

- F10 M5: Oil pump failure. Injector failure. Terrible steering (which resulted in BMW making a brand new steering rack for 2nd year).
- E92 M3: Old and useless iDrive which is impossible to use. Rod bearings that wear worse than the later model cars.
- F80 M3/M4: Lots of issues with transmission, crankshaft, crank bolt spinning and throwing timing off
- 997.1 911: Across the board RME issues
- 991 GT3: Engine fires, first 2 years of cars having oiling issues that required Porsche to redesign the entire engine oiling mechanism

Should I go on? Its sad to watch this unfold all the time and people keep falling for it.

I totally get what you're trying to say (kind of). However, if nobody bought a car the first year, how would the manufacturer know that there was a problem that needed to be addressed for the 2nd year? It seems to me that using your example, if nobody bought the 16' Tech cars, than nothing would change for 17'. Same with all of your listed examples. How would anyone have known about those problems if nobody bought them? If anything, you should be thanking the guys that bought the first year cars!:cheers:

All of that said, I have to agree with a lot of the Tech owners here. I currently have a 15' GT (1st year car! Oh no!). It's a sweet, powerful car. However, I bought it fully loaded Premium, with heavy 20" Foundry wheels. I love it the way it is and have no interest in tracking it. I know that the GT350 has more of a racing pedigree to it's name but there are still going to be owners that will never track it and are perfectly happy with what the tech pack offers. If I had to buy either/or right now, it would be the Tech simply because it would be my DD just like my GT is and I would prefer the comfort aspect.

Even knowing what we know now, I would consider buying a left over 16' Tech car, just as it is, if the price was right (this was covered in another thread earlier today) but that's just me.

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[Minn19]

You should NEVER buy a first model year. People make this mistake over and over and over again and its always the same sad story. Every car manufacturer from Chevy to BMW to Porsche (and Ford is no exception) has had similar issues. I guess its part of western culture/1st world problems of "I have to have something" attitude.

- F10 M5: Oil pump failure. Injector failure. Terrible steering (which resulted in BMW making a brand new steering rack for 2nd year).
- E92 M3: Old and useless iDrive which is impossible to use. Rod bearings that wear worse than the later model cars.
- F80 M3/M4: Lots of issues with transmission, crankshaft, crank bolt spinning and throwing timing off
- 997.1 911: Across the board RME issues
- 991 GT3: Engine fires, first 2 years of cars having oiling issues that required Porsche to redesign the entire engine oiling mechanism

Should I go on? Its sad to watch this unfold all the time and people keep falling for it.

Now you are back to trolling again and you were doing so good after helping out a forum member. The "spun crank hub" on the M3/4 is a very overblown issue and isn't even close to a chronic issue. And most of that is happening to modded cars. There has been nearly zero issues with either transmission: DCT or MT. I have no idea what you are even talking about with the crankshaft. The F8X M3/4 have been extremely reliable and can take a pounding on the track.......without overheating.

I don't have intimate knowledge of the other cars, but from what I've read a lot of that has been overblown as well. Humans built mechanical machines. Shit happens and things break all of the time. That is what warranty is for.

 

[Hack]

I am kinda of in the boat of why people keep complaining about this "Cooler" issue.

If you don't understand yet, either you haven't been reading people's posts or you've chosen not to absorb them.

 

[ghig302]

I think people are getting peeved about hearing about the Tech Packs because they are deep down, peeved at Ford. Look, the GT350 is a Track car like the Boss, and should have been equipped to handle track time for each edition. The fact that the Tech Pack's are going into limp mode on the freeway would be totally embarrassing for me if I did have one. I am sure some people who bought them feel the same way. It would be like a Cobra Jet "base" model going into limp mode after one drag race, or half way down the drag strip. Ford put a lousy transmission in the Boss, which will be the only reason I eventually sell it. They tried to save money on the GT350 and it makes them look really bad. The Boss was a type of halo car, and so is the GT350, they should not have transmission issues regardless of what memo was sent out to buy a track pack if you want to track it....

 

[Ninjak]

I have been reading and I understand. I also understand if I was buying the car to track it, I would have waited or bought a track pack car. Now going into limp mode on the highway is a new one for me, I did not see any threads about that. I would believe there is just something wrong with the car.

I also think people expected this car to be like the Boss and the Seqa Boss, but it's not. The 17 will be, but the 15/16 is not. So again, if you bought the tech, I am still mif why you decided on a tech when you wanted to track it.

 

[5.0 435]

From what I've been told by FP a fix is on its way. Just give them time to cross all the T's and dot all the i's. RELAX !!

 

[Hack]

I have been reading and I understand. I also understand if I was buying the car to track it, I would have waited or bought a track pack car. Now going into limp mode on the highway is a new one for me, I did not see any threads about that. I would believe there is just something wrong with the car.

I also think people expected this car to be like the Boss and the Seqa Boss, but it's not. The 17 will be, but the 15/16 is not. So again, if you bought the tech, I am still mif why you decided on a tech when you wanted to track it.

OK I'll bite. You've been a member for a while but maybe you just started reading here.

I chose options in May of 2015 prior to any info about heat problems. I'm a broad guy. I absolutely don't fit into Recaros. Not I'm uncomfortable don't fit. Not its too tight for a long trip don't fit. I just plain DO NOT FIT. I read the manual read everything about the car, but I couldn't believe that the car absolutely wouldn't function for a short HPDE on a cool day by me - essentially a novice driver. I didn't really care about nav etc leather any of that. I wanted Magneride and to fit in the seat. I wanted to track the car 2 or 3 times a year- that's it. I don't need an "all day track car". I just need 20 minutes or so at a time. I'm in Minnesota and I didn't plan to track the car in high heat. Maybe mid 80s max. . I figured I would buy a tech pack car and get some custom seats for track days if I decided I really loved taking the car there and the tech seat wasn't supportive enough. A nice set of light aluminum seats are relatively inexpensive.

I hope that clarifies it for you. One possible explanation of why someone would buy a tech pack car. I also didn't have an easy time finding a car. I took my best shot at three dealers who were offering decent prices. Two fell through. So a year ago I felt lucky I was even able to get a car set up to my specs. I wasn't going to wait around.

 

[Hack]

From what I've been told by FP a fix is on its way. Just give them time to cross all the T's and dot all the i's. RELAX !!

The suspense is killing me!

 

[snaproll]

Ok my list of 1st year cars. Recent performance cars.
1) 05 Ford GT ....problems none
2) 05 Mustang GT....problems none
3) 07 Shelby GT 500 problems none " fly wheel never caused the clutch problem."
4) 14 corvette Z51 problems none.

My Ford GT wouldn't make it two laps around Homestead without shutting down due to heat. It was quickly obvious to me that it was built as a cruiser, not a track car. Brushing the tire wall didn't help my opinion :doh: but it was a terrible track car. I'm still fascinated at all the crying about a not having coolers on a 350 when they offer a "track package" that does. Can't anyone take responsibility for their choices anymore? :shrug:

 

[Hack]

My Ford GT wouldn't make it two laps around Homestead without shutting down due to heat. It was quickly obvious to me that it was built as a cruiser, not a track car. Brushing the tire wall didn't help my opinion :doh: but it was a terrible track car. I'm still fascinated at all the crying about a not having coolers on a 350 when they offer a "track package" that does. Can't anyone take responsibility for their choices anymore? :shrug:

If I had the option to choose the coolers with seats I fit into I would have.

If Ford had made it clear that the GT350 without coolers would get hot quickly even on a relatively cool day I would have bought the track package with the intention of immediately taking it to an upholsterer and having the driver seat modified.

I'm fascinated by people asking for an explanation over and over when it's been given ad nauseam.

 

[snaproll]

If I had the option to choose the coolers with seats I fit into I would have.

If Ford had made it clear that the GT350 without coolers would get hot quickly even on a relatively cool day I would have bought the track package with the intention of immediately taking it to an upholsterer and having the driver seat modified.

I'm fascinated by people asking for an explanation over and over when it's been given ad nauseam.

"Track pack" - doesn't get any clearer than that. I never asked for an explanation just saying what anyone who has tracked a car before is thinking about the constant whining. The fact is, a gt350 even without coolers is still a better track car than a 2000 Cobra R or an 05-06 Ford GT.

 

[Sprintamx]

Flawed logic and flawed equivalencies seem to dominate these discussions. A car that has to retire in less than 10 minutes is not a track-capable car, nor is it "better" than a "lesser" car that can stay out longer. What was the point of including all of the go-fast bits on a Tech? It would have been better simply to trim out a Base with cooled seats and Nav.

For those that love comparisons, you can take any Porsche you want onto a track for as long as you want, and then drive home. A base Carrera can't tromp an GT3 or GT3 RS, but it doesn't have to retire within 10 minutes or less. But, maybe that's just another false equivalency . . .

Since so many folks really seem to believe that "you should have known . . ." is the only standard that matters, there's no real relevance for logic in the discussion. If anyone is actually interested in being objective and logical about this, the important questions to ask should be along the line of: "Why did Ford include a different transmisison that cannot be upgraded in an OE manner?" Or, "How can Ford legitimately claim that the 350 is the most track capable car (no caveats in pre-sale marketing for Track Pack or R only) when the majority of the first two model year cars can't stay on track"?

It's interesting that the OP is long gone from this thread. There's a message . . .

 

[firestarter2]

What did people think the tranny any diff coolers where for?

Flawed logic and flawed equivalencies seem to dominate these discussions. A car that has to retire in less than 10 minutes is not a track-capable car, nor is it "better" than a "lesser" car that can stay out longer. What was the point of including all of the go-fast bits on a Tech? It would have been better simply to trim out a Base with cooled seats and Nav.

For those that love comparisons, you can take any Porsche you want onto a track for as long as you want, and then drive home. A base Carrera can't tromp an GT3 or GT3 RS, but it doesn't have to retire within 10 minutes or less. But, maybe that's just another false equivalency . . .

Since so many folks really seem to believe that "you should have known . . ." is the only standard that matters, there's no real relevance for logic in the discussion. If anyone is actually interested in being objective and logical about this, the important questions to ask should be along the line of: "Why did Ford include a different transmisison that cannot be upgraded in an OE manner?" Or, "How can Ford legitimately claim that the 350 is the most track capable car (no caveats in pre-sale marketing for Track Pack or R only) when the majority of the first two model year cars can't stay on track"?

It's interesting that the OP is long gone from this thread. There's a message . . .

 

[snaproll]

What did people think the tranny any diff coolers where for?

Seriously, way too many mustang owners were sitting in their friend's 70 Camaro smoking weed behind the abortion clinic during thermodynamics section of high school physics. Oh wait, that was me. But still ...

Until we have common sense oil cooler laws, this is going to happen again and again.

 

[stanglife]

Interesting how everyone interprets things to match their agendas.

The 99 Cobra thing is not the same as the tech vs track pack 2016 cars.

Everyone references the fact that Ford now puts coolers in all cars as some kind of admission of guilt. It's not. in 16 they had a tech pack car or a track pack car. in 17, they only have one car with options for electronics. They are not offering the "tech pack" car any more. This is probably for a few different reasons. It's likely cheaper overall to just make one configuration of the car and offer less significant upgrade packages.

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