Steeda or BMR - Vertical link question

[socalsnake]

I use, and recommend "Seals It" for most applications.

http://www.sealsit.com/

Here is an example of some installed on our rod-end components.




These have proven to work very well, and I recommend them quite often.

Great reference BMR.

This just made up mind to go with the BMR vertical links.

BMR - could you point out which seal (maybe size, part #?) should be used for the ends of the vertical links?

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[jburgess1379]

Im interested in that myself^

 

[Schu]

all bearings wear out at some point, I consider them consumables.

 

[908ssp]

all bearings wear out at some point, I consider them consumables.

Properly sealed a quality bearing should last 50k miles. In an open environment you get a tenth of that.

 

[BMR Tech]

I will try and dig up some info when I get back to the office.

On that note, I am always grinding. I have made some prototype 80durometer poly bushings that seal the bearings.....and may be testing them on my car for like 6 months to a year, or so.

That said, we have a really good warranty, and unlike most....it is basically "unlimited" or rather, hassle free. It is not lifetime, but it is for 2 years. You could show us a video of the car road racing, drag racing, off road rallying, doing donuts in the sahara sand, driving under water, doing donuts in mud - doesn't matter, we stand behind the parts.

This will guarantee your bearings (which most companies do not do) for 2 years. If something happens after 2 years, I am not going to just tell you to go away, I will work with you on ensuring it is taken care of in a very reasonable way.

For people who live in harsh environments, I DO recommend cleaning the bearings every so often to remove contaminants. A mild soapy solution of water and dawn dish soap....spray, wipe with damp cloth, and rinse. Wipe dry with dry cloth.

You do not "lube" or "Grease" these bearings. BUT, I do recommend the Amsoil MPHD chain lube. It is a wax like film that helps control contamination.

 

[BMR Tech]

Properly sealed a quality bearing should last 50k miles. In an open environment you get a tenth of that.

No way.

We put our Bearing LCA on our 2011 Mustang in November 2010. The car has 16,800 miles on it. It has about 500 drag strip passes, and about 20 road course trips, and they are in great shape. They look dirty...but they have held up fine for us. Actually, I just removed them last week and inspected them. They're in really good shape. Teflon is in tact, and they don not have excessive play.

Now, we are in Florida.... But we have driven the car in the rain many times, and the car stays outside in the damp environment most of the time.

 

[Schu]

Awesome BMR... I love folks who stand behind the things they manufacture and develop!

and two years worry free is MUCH MUCH LONGER than one tenth of 50,000 miles... or 5,000 miles total. How did you like that one Duck man (908ss).

I will be ordering my set of links in a short bit as I assemble all the goodies to go on the sprung areas on my ride.

Hey BMR... give Phil Woods Tenacious Oil a try. It's a Chain oil.

 

[BMR Tech]

Yeah, we definitely wouldn't warranty the bearings on our parts if they failed that quickly. We'd go out of business. lol

 

[David@Steeda]

Hey everyone, I wanted to provide a bit more background on the Steeda vertical links as we offer a lifetime warranty on the links themselves and our delrin bushings. Offering a complete lifetime warranty allows our customers to purchase with confidence as the Steeda vertical links do not need any type of sealant or rubber boots to keep dirt/debris out - our delrin bushings and steel sleeves are CNC-machined in-house to exacting tolerances. By making these in-house to our exact specs, we are able to prevent dirt/debris from entering the bushings, therefore prolonging the bushings and allowing us to feel very confident in offering our lifetime warranty on both the links and bushings should anyone need to utilize it in the future.

It’s up to personal preference, and it’s good to have more than one option when it comes to modding your car.

 

[908ssp]

.... Teflon is in tact, and they don not have excessive play......

Any play on a street car and you start making noise. That might be acceptable on a race car. Why did some companies design adjustable ball joints? So you could take out the play which comes from compressing the teflon fiber bearing surrounding the ball.

 

[BMR Tech]

Any play on a street car and you start making noise. That might be acceptable on a race car. Why did some companies design adjustable ball joints? So you could take out the play which comes from compressing the teflon fiber bearing surrounding the ball.

Yes, I agree.

I am just telling you our experience, on our daily driven 2011GT.

Also keep in mind, on some applications that are not designed for a race car only (these links) - and on NVH critical components like our S197 UCA (UTCA033) - we use FK Bearing pieces that we spec as tight as possible.

There is much more to a bearing, than most think. Just like your Intercooler systems.....most think it's just an intercooler system, how much can there be "to it". A bearing is not just a bearing.

For comparison sake....an OEM Intercooling system works just fine for the majority. Put the parts to work, and they prove to be inefficient. Bearings....some applications they prove to fail prematurely, and some they do not. For this vertical link application, the part is primarily in compression and extension most of it's life, with very little pivoting. The less a bearing pivots, the longer it lives. This is due to less heat from friction, as well as less contamination introduced to the bearing race. The tighter a bearing is from the start, the longer it lives. And of course, the cleaner the bearing stays, the longer it lasts.

Again, putting a number out there, especially 5K miles, is not accurate at all. ;)

 

[908ssp]

I didn't concider that pivot thing and also impact strength. My motto is to under promise and over deliver.

Looking forward to your springs arriving.

 

[tj@steeda]

908SSP,

What part of Michigan are you in?

Best Regards,

TJ

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Hey everyone, I wanted to provide a bit more background on the Steeda vertical links as we offer a lifetime warranty on the links themselves and our delrin bushings. Offering a complete lifetime warranty allows our customers to purchase with confidence as the Steeda vertical links do not need any type of sealant or rubber boots to keep dirt/debris out - our delrin bushings and steel sleeves are CNC-machined in-house to exacting tolerances. By making these in-house to our exact specs, we are able to prevent dirt/debris from entering the bushings, therefore prolonging the bushings and allowing us to feel very confident in offering our lifetime warranty on both the links and bushings should anyone need to utilize it in the future.

It’s up to personal preference, and it’s good to have more than one option when it comes to modding your car.

One of the many reasons Steeda got my business :cheers:. Lifetime warranty

 

[BMR Tech]

Good news.

Today while I was in our product development meeting, I brought up the Vertical Links.

We base A LOT of what we do on what the customer wants - and have always offered more than the competition to ensure we can meet each persons wants and needs.

We are already in production of our new style Vertical Links, which will be "modular" - you can run Bearing / Bearing.....Delrin / Bearing.....or Delrin / Delrin..

TCA045 - Bearing (currently offered)
TCA046 - Delrin / Bearing Combo
TCA047 - Delrin

*If you buy the new style in say bearing/bearing....you can purchase the Delrin pieces, and run any combination of bushing styles you want - or just buy the one you want from the get-go, as listed above.

We expect to update everything on our end and have all of these available and shipping soon.

OH - and our Delrin versions will also have a Lifetime Warranty. ;)

We have a lot more parts that are about to be released to.

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