Replaced Voodoo Engine

[PP0001]

I was saying the 41 reported failures are not in direct relation to the full number of cars produced. The number of failures are linked to the members of this and some other forums. Way fewer than 17k cars.

Just curious how you came up with way few than 17,000 cars produced to date and what you actually think that number actually is?

:cheers:

 

[rick81721]

Just curious how you came up with way few than 17,000 cars produced to date and what you actually think that number actually is?

:cheers:

17K produced is approximately correct - the point is there aren't 17K owners on this board.

 

[PP0001]

17K produced is approximately correct - the point is there aren't 17K owners on this board.

Understand the point for sure but his statement about way fewer than 17K cars produced does not seem accurate and would like to know where he is getting his production numbers from as I would suggest that the production numbers are certainly higher than 17K.


At the end of the day if we are dealing with percentages of documented engine failures versus actual production numbers I would suggest that numbers on both end of the spectrum should be as accurate as possible.

;)

 

[stanglife]

Listen man - you contradict yourself constantly..you don't even own one anymore. I just call it how I see it...if calling out idiocy makes me weird, then I'm good with that. If it makes you feel better about your decisions, then cool. I don't need to rant for days about a car that I no longer own to be OK with why I sold it.

Simply - you say you felt funny about the 17..yeah, that makes sense. You didn't say a thing about that until after you sold it and now, geezus. You act like the only reason you owned the car is because some race series was using the engine and now hurt feelings?

 

[Hack]

You act like the only reason you owned the car is because some race series was using the engine and now hurt feelings?

I agree - who cares about the race series? They made the engine sip air through a straw because otherwise it had way too much power and walked all over the competition. Better to go with a lower powered and less expensive engine that doesn't need to be restricted so much.

 

[17RubyShelbyGT350]

Redux - Numbers Game

Understand the point for sure but his statement about way fewer than 17K cars produced does not seem accurate and would like to know where he is getting his production numbers from as I would suggest that the production numbers are certainly higher than 17K.


At the end of the day if we are dealing with percentages of documented engine failures versus actual production numbers I would suggest that numbers on both end of the spectrum should be as accurate as possible.

;)

In relation to the failed engine tracking efforts here to-date, the total number of cars produced to this point, whether the number is 17,000 or 20,000 isirrelevant. It should be obvious to all by now that the number of failures documented are drawn only from Shelby Forum sub-populations not the general population of N=?????? cars. To say otherwise is either misunderstanding or willfully obfuscating what is being documented.

Also, does not the car record if a missed shift zings the engine well beyond the permissible engine speed parameters? Other cars can record this. And those manufacturers will not replace your engine if it’s failure was due to “operator error.”



I would suggest that people who are genuinely interested in this topic, attempt to understand what has been documented, what the collected data represents and what it doesn’t.

To say the collected data has some bias because people are more likely to report their engine failures and be upset by them is a given sampling understanding. However, to state that with this number of known failures among Shelby-centric forums is a “nothing to see here, move along deal” is IMHO, an equal distortion.

 

[stanglife]

I agree - who cares about the race series? They made the engine sip air through a straw because otherwise it had way too much power and walked all over the competition. Better to go with a lower powered and less expensive engine that doesn't need to be restricted so much.

In full disclosure - and because I admit to calling others out on BS:

I agree that I would have liked to see them continue to run the engine. It's not a deal breaker for me at all but sometimes weaknesses are found when using whatever components in an actual race series and they have to discontinue the use of those parts. Due to Ford never saying anything about anything - it leaves people to assume the worst...and I admit that the first generalization that comes to mind is that there was some kind of problem with the engines.

[MENTION=12069]Hack[/MENTION] - I don't know if it was you that I discussed this with previously but like you mentioned, these cars ran restrictors (many others do, too) - but without knowing anything else, the additional stress of needing to ingest air through a restriction, on an otherwise highly tuned engine is one theory as to why they needed to discontinue use.

 

[stanglife]

In relation to the failed engine tracking efforts here to-date, the total number of cars produced to this point, whether the number is 17,000 or 20,000 isirrelevant. It should be obvious to all by now that the number of failures documented are drawn only from Shelby Forum sub-populations not the general population of N=?????? cars. To say otherwise is either misunderstanding or willfully obfuscating what is being documented.

Also, does not the car record if a missed shift zings the engine well beyond the permissible engine speed parameters? Other cars can record this. And those manufacturers will not replace your engine if it’s failure was due to “operator error.”



I would suggest that people who are genuinely interested in this topic, attempt to understand what has been documented, what the collected data represents and what it doesn’t.

To say the collected data has some bias because people are more likely to report their engine failures and be upset by them is a given sampling understanding. However, to state that with this number of known failures among Shelby-centric forums is a “nothing to see here, move along deal” is IMHO, an equal distortion.

Agree completely. There's some good date to find - and then there's some bad data. There's definitely SOME data ;) Much of it is subjective and each case can have a bunch of variables. Check this out: I ran through the top stack of names that I didn't recognize and searched them on the forum. Made some notes for each one that I thought could skew the numbers one way or the other.

voodoo702 - 1 post - engine failure

racer02 - 5 posts - 1st post trans thermostat - second and all other posts, engine failure.

wookie - 14 posts - admits to using the engine starting to rattle to let him know that he needs to add oil:
"You can add me to the list. 2016 ~9k miles. I had reported some issues on my last service, which was explained away as piston slap. I was able to correlate the noise with when I needed to put oil in the car... I guess it was a strange oil level indicator (ha!). I let the car sit through some of the harsher parts of winter here, when I went to start it again. Dead. The starter was working fine, just throwing codes. Got it towed to the dealer and sure enough, the engine needed replaced. Not much hassle on that front. If the new engine doesn’t hold up, I guess I get to decide between a buy back or a replacement? "

G4579 - 2 posts - hasnt personally had engine failure but previous owner did. Were both users counted?

WINDNSEA00 - Rented his car out to others on Turo. No way of knowing who did what to the car.


Just too many variables here.

 

[Tflong24]

Just curious how you came up with way few than 17,000 cars produced to date and what you actually think that number actually is?

:cheers:

OMG, I am not saying there were way fewer than 17k cars PRODUCED!!!! I am saying the engine failures being tracked by a couple members here are not representative of the entire production run, but only the forum members that have reported failures. The number of members do not represent the est 17k cars produced. Good LAWD.

 

[MulhollandMonster]

OMG, I am not saying there were way fewer than 17k cars PRODUCED!!!! I am saying the engine failures being tracked by a couple members here are not representative of the entire production run, but only the forum members that have reported failures. The number of members do not represent the est 17k cars produced. Good LAWD.

Its not a perfect sample...Its within perhaps a 5 % point error, but damn close...That said, scientific polls said there was no way Trump would win.

 

[Zitrosounds]

Its not a perfect sample...Its within perhaps a 5 % point error, but damn close...That said, scientific polls said there was no way Trump would win.

WTF??? SMH
Deep deep in the outfield lol

 

[MulhollandMonster]

WTF??? SMH
Deep deep in the outfield lol

Talking about the veracity of statistical samples? It was deep in outfield, over the fence right over the outfielder's head...and yours apparently.

 

[stanglife]

Not accurate is not accurate. Not enough or incorrect data, is not enough or incorrect data. You cant then say it's within 5%, if there was no way to prove the data to begin with. I thinks is what he was saying.

Interested but not optimistic to get some real info from Ford someday.

 

[AirBusPilot]

My experience:

What little oil it consumed stopped after I changed the oil at 6500 mi. It now has 8000 mi and ZERO oil consumption.

Paint is flawless.

ZERO rattles. Which is kind of bizarre, since I have a JBL Stealthbox and the bass is so loud the car should have spontaneously disintegrated.

Everything works like it did the day I drove it off the showroom floor. Still hauls ass.

Best car I've ever owned, and I've owned plenty.

 

[blueghost]

Its not a perfect sample...

Agreed. The one thing this "list" of engine failures has done is reinforce my belief that the GT350 engine is a good engine and I am not worried about it's health or longevity.

Before you folks jump on me I will remind you that my knowledge and use of statistical sampling and the Law of Large Numbers paid for my GT350 and the other hot rod cars I have in my garage.