Pricing motor build

[spdbydesign]

Personally, if you are going to spend the money. Why cheap out with h-beam rods? Buck up and get manley pro i-beams. Sleeve it, 2618 alloy pistons and manley pro i-beams.

I 100% agree.

I think many forget when turbocharging, for example, comes into play....we're talking about 5.0L of displacement.

When you see every run of the mill 03+ Mitsubishi EVO making 600-1000whp with a single turbo upgrade on a 2.0-2.3L engine...you start to think about how much opportunity we have in a 5.0L twin-turbo engine.

Right now, it seems that 1500whp is around the limit of a sleeved, non-filled, short block.

I truly believe that in the next 18-24 months 1200+ whp S550's are going to be a dime a dozen. (I hope most of them are running SBD TT Kits!)

No longer will 800whp even make the front page news story. It won't be worth talking about, as the FI crowd is going to go crazy.

I could be completely wrong, but this is my prediction.

This is a very inexpensive, in comparison, platform from which to make 4 digit power. (Which is, and will continue, to bring outsiders to the S550 platform....as they see it as a solid platform from which to build their street/race car.)

I've said it before, I'll say it again, this is the today's domestic Supra...and we're going to see lots of big builds in the months/years to come in this platform.

Build a sleeved, twin-turbo setup with a glide and you've got a rocket on the street/drag strip/air strip....from a dig or role.....that should hang with just about anything.

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[turbo50]

Personally, if you are going to spend the money. Why cheap out with h-beam rods? Buck up and get manley pro i-beams. Sleeve it, 2618 alloy pistons and manley pro i-beams.

Why would I waste 700 extra on I beams when h beams are know to handle 1000whp? I'm not looking to make 1500wp or break records I'm building a street car that maybe hit the track.

 

[spdbydesign]

Why would I waste 700 extra on I beams when h beams are know to handle 1000whp? I'm not looking to make 1500wp or break records I'm building a street car that maybe hit the track.

If that's your goal, I think that's fine....but I think the market is going to take a major uptick in the HP department in the months to come.

My favorite customers are the ones who call me after losing to their buddy on Saturday night, opening their wallet for whatever it's going to take to win at the next race. (My kind of enthusiasts, as I'm the same way.)

I think it's the competitive nature that the majority of us have in this sport (if you will), we just need some motivation to go bigger, lol. Nothing like being humbled to push you to the next level.

This is the reason I think this market is about to explode. This platform is so easy to make big power in, that I think 4 digit builds are going to be somewhat common in the months/years ahead.

It's that competitive nature among the majority of us that will cause the vendors to step up their game, providing the consumers what they want.

I hope I'm right, as nothing would make me happier than seeing LOADS of S550 Youtube Videos dragging XYZ platforms down the highway/track.

:ford:

 

[turbo50]

I 100% agree.

I think many forget when turbocharging, for example, comes into play....we're talking about 5.0L of displacement.

When you see every run of the mill 03+ Mitsubishi EVO making 600-1000whp with a single turbo upgrade on a 2.0-2.3L engine...you start to think about how much opportunity we have in a 5.0L twin-turbo engine.

Right now, it seems that 1500whp is around the limit of a sleeved, non-filled, short block.

I truly believe that in the next 18-24 months 1200+ whp S550's are going to be a dime a dozen.

No longer will 800whp even make the front page news story. It won't be worth talking about, as the FI crowd is going to go crazy.

I could be completely wrong, but this is my prediction.

This is a very inexpensive, in comparison, platform from which to make 4 digit power. (Which is, and will continue, to bring outsiders to the S550 platform....as they see it as a solid platform from which to build their street/race car.)

I've said it before, I'll say it again, this is the today's domestic Supra...and we're going to see lots of big builds in the months/years to come in this platform.

Build a sleeved, twin-turbo setup with a glide and you've got a rocket on the street/drag strip/air strip....from a dig or role.....that should hang with just about anything.

I wouldn't compare a supra to a coyote lol a supra is bullet proof they can make 12-1500whp a lot easier they a coyote. I dd my 1200whp 2j swap sc300 for years. I wonder if you can do the same on a coyote without having so kind of block failure or valvetrain failure.

 

[turbo50]

If that's your goal, I think that's fine....but I think the market is going to take a major uptick in the HP department in the months to come.

My favorite customers are the ones who call me after losing to their buddy on Saturday night, opening their wallet for whatever it's going to take to win at the next race. (My kind of enthusiasts, as I'm the same way.)

I think it's the competitive nature that the majority of us have in this sport (if you will), we just need some motivation to go bigger, lol. Nothing like being humbled to push you to the next level.

This is the reason I think this market is about to explode. This platform is so easy to make big power in, that I think 4 digit builds are going to be somewhat common in the months/years ahead.

It's that competitive nature among the majority of us that will cause the vendors to step up their game, providing the consumers what they want.

I hope I'm right, as nothing would make me happier than seeing LOADS of S550 Youtube Videos dragging XYZ platforms down the highway/track.

:ford:

the only reason I'm stopping to 9-1000whp I don't want to find another weak point in the motor after spending 12-15k on a long block then trash it because a cracked block or some other crazy shit.

 

[spdbydesign]

I wouldn't compare a supra to a coyote lol a supra is bullet proof they can make 12-1500whp a lot easier they a coyote. I dd my 1200whp 2j swap sc300 for years. I wonder if you can do the same on a coyote without having so kind of block failure or valvetrain failure.

The heads on the Coyote are badass, some of the best flowing production heads on the planet.

We went 9.0 @ 157mph on a stock short block and valvetrain, that's crazy at 4100 lbs.

The Supra is a MUCH lighter car in comparison.

We're talking 2015+ production cars, which are heavy now to meet crash/safety standards.

For it's day, the Coyote is a beast and is class leading in the performance department in what the engine can take in stock configuration.

If 1200whp is your number, it's a cakewalk on a sleeved engine.

 

[spdbydesign]

the only reason I'm stopping to 9-1000whp I don't want to find another weak point in the motor after spending 12-15k on a long block then trash it because a cracked block or some other crazy shit.

The recipe is out there, you're not having to re-invent the wheel in 2015.

The coyote architecture has been out since the 2011 year model, roughly 6 years.

Getting them to hold 1200-1300whp (even more) is no longer a mystery or source of R&D at the dealer level.

Call up any of the industry leaders, in my case, MPR....hand over your money....and go make power.

I wouldn't lose sleep at the 1200-1300whp mark personally about a sleeved block cracking.

I'd be more concerned about having the necessary safety equipment in place in the event I ever crashed it. At that level of power, you need to splurge on a quality cage, etc.

 

[turbo50]

Didn't bama had a valvetrain failure on their drag car? They didn't say what it was. Would you know?

 

[zaquhree]

Didn't bama had a valvetrain failure on their drag car? They didn't say what it was. Would you know?

they had a Frankenstein setup with 11-14 controls and a bunch of weird shit to get their car going

 

[spdbydesign]

Didn't bama had a valvetrain failure on their drag car? They didn't say what it was. Would you know?

No idea, but my sleeved MPR long block should be here next week. (Literally just waiting on a front cover + valve covers to complete it. Ford has been on backorder forever now it seems.)

I've got several different turbo setups here, ready to be installed and tested, so I'll have some good data to share soon.

Our heads are fully CNC, upgraded cams, valvetrain, etc.

I'll be 100% disclosing with any failures, should we find them.

But I feel very confident this car is going to make big HP, reliably.

I'm going to give the 6R80 a round #2, see what it can do after being re-built.

If we have any issues, in goes the glide....

 

[Evo_Rob]

they had a Frankenstein setup with 11-14 controls and a bunch of weird shit to get their car going

This^^ They have made plenty of references to it. They just never flat out said it.

 

[spdbydesign]

This^^ They have made plenty of references to it. They just never flat out said it.

They aren't the only ones. There were others who reverted back to non-2015+ OEM PCM options, which was due (in large part) to limited software support in the early days.

Now, the software is getting much better for the S550 platform, as can be seen by some of the 8 sec timeslips being recorded.

Since the day the motor came out, engine/transmission restrictions haven't been the issue. It's always been the software needed to tune the car, holding back those willing to push the envelope on the factory PCM.

 

[bklynpanman]

Personally have a sleeved block being built MPR at the moment. Diamond pistons and Manley I beams of course.

 

[spdbydesign]

Personally have a sleeved block being built MPR at the moment. Diamond pistons and Manley I beams of course.

In Tim Eichhorn do we trust :cheers:

 

[zaquhree]

Personally have a sleeved block being built MPR at the moment. Diamond pistons and Manley I beams of course.

I will go pick it up and make sure it works for you if you want

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