Pricing motor build

[Kellys69z]

In regards to sleeving the block that's not something I can do myself right?

It won't be cost effective. I own a machine shop, and wanted to do my own. I have more in tooling to do the job than it would have cost to have it done. As for the mt82 I'm leaving it in my car, and I'm shooting for over 1k. So far I've bought 3 of them to have in rotation as they break.

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[Rintegration]

This sleeved vs not sleeving argument has been going on for quite some time know. We build quite a few different engine platforms here at Racing Integration (Coyote, Porsche, 2jz etc) and I always tell my customers why cheese out on a component that can possibly cause catastrophic damage once it fails. What everyone seems to forget is that the coyote is a mass produced engine so there will be small variations in the thickness of the factory sleeves. This explains why you hear "my boy makes 1100whp with supports with know problems. It's a matter of time before the stock sleeved with "sleeve supports" fails, it's not the end all. Sleeve your block with a true ductile iron sleeved and hit the road. Trust me even if you not shooting for 1500whp it's good knowing you have a cushion. For the extra $2k-$3k it's worth sleeving your investment.

 

[doodguy]

This sleeved vs not sleeving argument has been going on for quite some time know. We build quite a few different engine platforms here at Racing Integration (Coyote, Porsche, 2jz etc) and I always tell my customers why cheese out on a component that can possibly cause catastrophic damage once it fails. What everyone seems to forget is that the coyote is a mass produced engine so there will be small variations in the thickness of the factory sleeves. This explains why you hear "my boy makes 1100whp with supports with know problems. It's a matter of time before the stock sleeved with "sleeve supports" fails, it's not the end all. Sleeve your block with a true ductile iron sleeved and hit the road. Trust me even if you not shooting for 1500whp it's good knowing you have a cushion. For the extra $2k-$3k it's worth sleeving your investment.

Colin, do you do this? Can you pm me quote to sleeve block and install pistons/ rods of I bring you my motor?

 

[spdbydesign]

This sleeved vs not sleeving argument has been going on for quite some time know. We build quite a few different engine platforms here at Racing Integration (Coyote, Porsche, 2jz etc) and I always tell my customers why cheese out on a component that can possibly cause catastrophic damage once it fails. What everyone seems to forget is that the coyote is a mass produced engine so there will be small variations in the thickness of the factory sleeves. This explains why you hear "my boy makes 1100whp with supports with know problems. It's a matter of time before the stock sleeved with "sleeve supports" fails, it's not the end all. Sleeve your block with a true ductile iron sleeved and hit the road. Trust me even if you not shooting for 1500whp it's good knowing you have a cushion. For the extra $2k-$3k it's worth sleeving your investment.

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I think customers feel the need for a rule of thumb...okay, at 800whp do this, okay at 1000whp do this...

But in regards to this motor, we have guys who have already cracked factory sleeves/blocks at sub 1000whp levels. (Beefcake's shop car for example during their testing on the S550 platform.)

So knowing this, I think it's crazy to forego this modification, knowing you're not addressing a failure point that is a documented issue.

In the overall scheme of things, if you have the money to do a build, $3K more for a quality sleeved block isn't going to make or break you financially. (And it will be a heck of a lot cheaper than ruining a "built" block later because you failed to address the sleeves.)

I'm a firm believer in doing it right the first time, it's always cheaper in the end.

 

[BMR Tech]

Or just be like me and do double the work and waste money.

Ooopss....

Go sleeves!

 

[spdbydesign]

Or just be like me and do double the work and waste money.

Ooopss....

Go sleeves!

Kelly, it's natural human behavior to want to save money.

We all make shopping decisions every single day, from food to cars to whatever.

But sometimes you just need to bite the bullet & spend the money, when you know there's a high likelihood at some point....going cheap will come back to bite you.

And it always bites you with a vengeance, as a block failure comes at a significant cost round #2.

With that said, look forward to seeing your new engine ;)

That car is a beast!

 

[BMR Tech]

We shall see!

Livernois informed me the shortblock was done. My SCE Head gaskets showed up today, and they are finalizing my CNC Program for the heads.

Hope to get it soon!

 

[cobra199711]

What's the difference between MPS short block and this one?

What rod bolts are they using with that build? Edit: Looks to be ARP 2000 rod bolts. You are good. http://goturbo.net/online-store/mps-shortblock/mustang-gt-boss-shortblock.html#.V0JQbVegm9E

I'm gathering additonal details, thanks for any help!!

Short Block Assembly: 2999.00

Ford block, casting #RFBR3E 6015 HF (with oil squirters provision).
Manley Pistons #598005C8.
Manley Rods #14042.
Ford Boss Crank #fomoco-m-6303-M50B.
Mahle Main Bearing #MS-2292H.
Clevite Rod Bearings #CB-1442 H.
Total Seal Stainless Steel Piston Rings #custom-cs-08.
You choose compression- 9:1, 10:1, 11:1
Great for forced induction
Upgradeable to ARP 2000 bolts and Extreme wrist

MPS 4995.00
New Ford Coyote 5.0L 302 Cubic Inch Cylinder Block (M-6010-M504V)
New Boss 302 Crankshaft (M-6303-M50B)
Manley Forged Pistons with Low Friction Coating (598000C-8)
Total Seal Piston Rings (46700ST-8)
Manley H-Beam Connecting Rods (14042R-8)
ARP Main Studs (156-5803)
Clevite Main Bearings (MS2292H)
King Rod Bearings (868HPN)
11:1 Compression Ratio, custom ratios available

 

[esacteksab]

Or just be like me and do double the work and waste money.

Ooopss....

Go sleeves!

Being sarcastic or did you pop your engine?

 

[spdbydesign]

We shall see!

Livernois informed me the shortblock was done. My SCE Head gaskets showed up today, and they are finalizing my CNC Program for the heads.

Hope to get it soon!

That's awesome news. We're STILL waiting on Ford OEM parts to finish mine, killing me!

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