Please Educate Me - Why No Spoiler On Performance Pack?

[Maggneto]

The Spoiler on the Mustang is the most pathetic Spoiler in the history of Spoilers. Why Ford even bothered wasting resources on that thing is a mystery. The resources would have been better spent on upgrading the pathetic steering wheel. The steering wheel on our crossover is much nicer than the Mustang.

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[PJR202]

I've always figured it was because the enthusiast driver the performance packed is geared toward is the type that would take an interest in determining which spoiler suits their needs.

At least that's what I told my wife and she didn't question it, which means I'm probably correct for once.

 

[crs2879]

To me, for a large-volume production car, like the Mustang, the spoiler v non-spoiler argument comes down to personal preference. I had a '01 Bullitt GT and loved the fact that it had no rear spoiler and absolutely hated the fake hood scoop....I would have much preferred they used the non-scoop, V6 hood for the Bullitt as it would have been much more in keeping with the theme of the movie car. However, some folks who bought Bullitt GT's immediately added the GT trunk spoiler........to each his/her own at the end of the day.

 

[Strokerswild]

To me, for a large-volume production car, like the Mustang, the spoiler v non-spoiler argument comes down to personal preference. I had a '01 Bullitt GT and loved the fact that it had no rear spoiler and absolutely hated the fake hood scoop....I would have much preferred they used the non-scoop, V6 hood for the Bullitt as it would have been much more in keeping with the theme of the movie car. However, some folks who bought Bullitt GT's immediately added the GT trunk spoiler........to each his/her own at the end of the day.

Yeah, the hood scoop on my '01 Bullitt drove me nuts too....

 

[nastang87xx]

So are you saying the TP 350 spoiler actually has a benefit on track?

Supposedly it is according to Dave Pericak. Based on the shape and how it's "gurney'ed" I'd believe there's SOMETHING going on. It's a lot deeper than pictures give it credit for.

 

[Grintch]

I'm more inclined to think in terms of aerodynamic balance. Too much rear spoiler or wing gives you a high speed aero 'push' that only gets worse as cornering speeds increase (think 100 mph & up kinks here). An effective splitter with not enough rear wing or spoiler makes the car aero-loose at speed.

Read about Terry Fair's aerodynamic experiments on the red S197 that was campaigned very successfully 3 years or so ago, especially where they had too much splitter relative to rear aero. Huge threads on several forums, including S197Forums.com and Vorshlag's own site. Although detail dimensions probably differ for aero balance, S550 vs S197, the same concepts apply.


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But the PP has a bigger splitter than a standard GT, but a smaller spoiler (yes the shape already works as a spoiler).

So either the standard GT spoiler is way too big, so it has aero understeer even with a bigger splitter.
Or it's junk from an aero standpoint doing nothing good for downforce/lift or drag.

I think probably a little of both as the standard GT350 has a smaller spoiler, than the GT and probably a bigger splitter/air dam than the PP. While the GT350R comes with a medium-small wing, and a big not curb friendly splitter in the trunk to balance it.

PS - Also havent the standard spoliers gotten smaller? There is a 2017 at work that has a lot smaller spoiler rhan the original 2015's

 

[Grintch]

The Spoiler on the Mustang is the most pathetic Spoiler in the history of Spoilers. Why Ford even bothered wasting resources on that thing is a mystery. The resources would have been better spent on upgrading the pathetic steering wheel. The steering wheel on our crossover is much nicer than the Mustang.

Ever notice how most standard 4 door Camry's, Civic's, etc. now have small spoilers? After decades of marketing, everyone expects anything with the slightest sporting pretentions to have a spoiler or wing. That is why the no spoiler PP is so surprising. A more sporty model, that REMOVES the standard spoiler.

 

[JaxS550]

Because no spoiler looks 1000000 times better

 

[bluebeastsrt]

You are missing the point. There is no spoiler vs. wing argument and I never attempted to make one. Someone else made a comparison and you chirped in with your support. Do some research on the subject and find out how each works and why there are used. Basically spoilers reduce lift vs. wings create down force and both do what they do well.







Your argument was basically that spoilers have to be better than wings, otherwise you would see them on high end (insert sanctioning body that does not allow or use wings) race cars. The pictures show that is not the case at all. NASCAR tried wings and they worked great at sticking the car to the track. They also tended to act as an aircraft wing should the car get sideways at 200mph. Also the fans didn't like the way the cars "looked".

As mentioned in a post above, the highest of high end motorsports, F1, uses wings because the down force they create could allow the car to drive on the ceiling at speed. Let's see a spoiler do that.

:lol: You made the original comment about wings being great and and spoilers being useless. I just called it miss information. You haven't provided one single shread of scientific evidence to back up your original claim other than to post a few photos and type do some research! I could post photos of drag cars with spoilers that are capable of 330 miles per hour at the 1000 foot mark. ! Now a wing will let you drive on the ceiling?:doh: Who says F1 is the highest end of motor sports?? Was there a pole taken recently? I most have missed that while I was waiting for you to post something other than photos.:shrug: In this country. F1 gets about a 10th of the viewership of Nascar. Look it up. See more general statements from you. Get back to me with some more photos or try to actually back up your original statement that wings are great and spoilers do nothing with science. Good luck.

 

[Kevin08]

I wish they would still give you the spoiler when you choose the spoiler delete (that doesn't lower the price at all). That way you at least have you what you're still paying for.

 

[tom_sprecher]

You made the original comment about wings being great and and spoilers being useless.

Kindly quote were I wrote that.

And as far as a wing allowing you to drive on the ceiling I'll just leave this here.

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[bluebeastsrt]

At highway speeds they are for looks only. Even above an real benefit requires hours of testing in a wind tunnel, otherwise they cause drag.

Wings are a different thing entirely.



Okie dokie. There ya go. Now explain how it's an entirely different story??????? LOL in that video the car is bolted to the ceiling.

 

[tom_sprecher]

At highway speeds they are for looks only. Even above an real benefit requires hours of testing in a wind tunnel, otherwise they cause drag.

Wings are a different thing entirely.



Okie dokie. There ya go. Now explain how it's an entirely different story??????? LOL in that video the car is bolted to the ceiling.

First explain to me how the quoted statement equates to "wings being great and and spoilers being useless".

You are still missing the point entirely. You know, never mind. If you think the car in the video is "bolted to the ceiling", then trying to discuss with you the subject of wings and spoilers in automotive applications is a waste of my time.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

First explain to me how the quoted statement equates to "wings being great and and spoilers being useless".

You are still missing the point entirely. You know, never mind. If you think the car in the video is "bolted to the ceiling", then trying to discuss with you the subject of wings and spoilers in automotive applications is a waste of my time.

Good call. Since you cant back up the original statement. About how wings are entirely different. Take the I'm to intelligent to continue the debate approach.;) But honestly I glad your bowing out. I was getting bored with this debate. Have a good day.

 

[TexasRebel]

I just called it miss information.

Is she hot?


Also, that video is flawed. The car would have to produce enough downforce (lift when upside down) to keep traction, to keep speed, to keep lift.

Without enough traction, wheel slip would reduce speed and lose lift which would make the system fail.

The spoilers on the GTs only reduce one thing: fuel mileage, but by such a minuscule amount that Ford put them on for looks. The PP drops the useless weight & drag, and the car looks better without a taped on spoiler.

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