Paxton vs whipple

[Pincushin3819]

If the car is daily driven, i highly suggest going PD. The centri is NOT going to fix the low rpm LULL this high revving v8 seems to have. It feels almost gutless in the lower RPM n/a, and you'll continue to have that feeling with the centri blower im sure(correct me if im wrong) driving around town.
The pedal feel improves drastically with a PD blower on top of your mod motor

I've never understood the argument over PD's having better low end over centrifugal & even turbos (it's senseless). Think of it like this if you're sitting at idle & mash the gas you get an instant hit of power with a PD car yes, is it more than a Centrifugal or turbo yes. Ok here's where things get good, by the time these cars cross a certain rpm the Centrifugal/turbo cars equal the PD cars in power & torque it's usually around 32-3600 rpms rang. Ok from that point the Centrifugal/turbo cars are steady getting faster while the PD cars are slowly dropping off in power. Ok so let me ask you this question, would you want more instant power that you really have a harder time utilizing for first 1000-1500 rpms or would you want more power for the last 3000-3500+ rpms? Another fact, when you are changing gears your car is not dropping back down to the rpms where the PD car has more power guess what it's in the upper rpms where the Centrifugal/turbo has more power. This is not even considering the heat soak a PD cars has over the Centrifugal/turbo cars add that & there is a clear winner.

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[Roh92cp]

I've never understood the argument over PD's having better low end over centrifugal & even turbos (it's senseless). Think of it like this if you're sitting at idle & mash the gas you get an instant hit of power with a PD car yes, is it more than a Centrifugal or turbo yes. Ok here's where things get good, by the time these cars cross a certain rpm the Centrifugal/turbo cars equal the PD cars in power & torque it's usually around 32-3600 rpms rang. Ok from that point the Centrifugal/turbo cars are steady getting faster while the PD cars are slowly dropping off in power. Ok so let me ask you this question, would you want more instant power that you really have a harder time utilizing for first 1000-1500 rpms or would you want more power for the last 3000-3500+ rpms? Another fact, when you are changing gears your car is not dropping back down to the rpms where the PD car has more power guess what it's in the upper rpms where the Centrifugal/turbo has more power. This is not even considering the heat soak a PD cars has over the Centrifugal/turbo cars add that & there is a clear winner.

Wrong! PD systems now on these motors don't fall off at midrange or top end nor do they heat soak. The newer systems for these cars have large intercoolers and like the Whipple system and are efficient power makers across the board and do very well at top end. Just look at some of the track MPH from these systems.

 

[16MustangVet]

stock style intakes and a2a intercoolers...... i despise a2w intercoolers just more sh1t to leak and cause problems.

centri+a2a+e85=no drama.

centri more like a turbo less plumbimg to deal with too.

 

[rio16]

Great thing is, there are a lot of options for the S550 out there. But just look at that engine bay tho =) bonus is Performs well and Heat soak? idk man my IATs are good so far.

95% of people will never drive these cars to the max, might take it red light to red light, down the strip a few times or a quick highway pull. IF you drove the car hard over & over, pull after pull for 15 min + you will see a huge difference in performance in your whipple or any PD. There's nothing wrong with it, it serves it's purpose & looks awesome under the hood but if your really pushing the car heat soak is a factor that comes in to play .

I'm speaking more of the guys that auto x or roll race. Especially that line up a few roll races back to back, even when it's not your turn to race you still are all in to keep up with the pack. PD cars get slower quicker over the duration of the races. Seen them all do it, whipple, KB, TVS ect.

I have nothing against PD cars, I actually like them a lot even had two myself. I just like turbos & centrifugal better not even because of the heat soaking issue I just like the way they utilize the power throughout the rpms better.

Funny cus my IATs have been good even with roll race or little hwy pulls. Even on idle on California summer 90+ degrees still not bad.

"Unlike centris superchargers which make boost proportional to rpm, the twin screw design develops all its boost just above idle and keeps it all the way to redline. The sensation is rather like a big block; lots of stump
pulling torque and long, fat midrange pull"


I went with Twin screw Whipple because i get to enjoy that 10psi everytime I step on that gas pedal while a centri will only make 10psi on the top of the rpm


Plus Horsepower sells lol :cheers: and CARB legal

 

[armykyle1 [HACKED ACCOUNT]

Dyno graphs are good.

 

[mustang1]

... The Paxton is our best seller, as it's your least expensive entry into the power adder world, tons of growing potential, and great growing potential. You can get satin, black, or polished ...

looking at the team beefcake racing website, it doesn't seem like the Paxton is that much cheaper than the Whipple, once you add on Lund remote tune, nGauge and race BOV. And Whipple comes with an optional engine warranty, for those that want to run a stock motor.

 

[GSLSE20B]

installed a stage2 whipple on [MENTION=14862]Kyle0995[/MENTION] 2015 . we've had 105-109 temps for the last 2 weeks . the whipple iats stayed right around ambient while beating on it for a solid 45 minutes ... carb legal ,extra fans ,big injectors, 132mm TB and the glorious FLIGHT CONTROL all for mid 7k .

 

[Pincushin3819]

We will have to agree to disagree with PD performance positives over centrifugal & especially turbos. There is a trend here being most of the misinformed either start with the wrong trim level for optimum performance to being with, living in California (which I understand in going whipple), having a PD & or it being there first FI car.

There was nothing wrong! Lol with what I said, it's all fact & simple physics. If you spin Rotors fast enough it creates heat when sitting on top of your motor spinning fast enough & long enough it will cause heat soak. There nothing wrong with PD especially Whipple but this is like having argument over a manual being faster than an auto or torque being more important in a drag race at the end of the day they all have there place.

 

[beefcake]

looking at the team beefcake racing website, it doesn't seem like the Paxton is that much cheaper than the Whipple, once you add on Lund remote tune, nGauge and race BOV. And Whipple comes with an optional engine warranty, for those that want to run a stock motor.

We can do custom packages with either the paxton or the Whipple, we just posted a void of a nice custom whipple we did last week yesterday

It all comes down to your driving style, if you want a caned tune, or a custom setup

That's why we have so many options

 

[Obsol3te]

I've never understood the argument over PD's having better low end over centrifugal & even turbos (it's senseless). Think of it like this if you're sitting at idle & mash the gas you get an instant hit of power with a PD car yes, is it more than a Centrifugal or turbo yes. Ok here's where things get good, by the time these cars cross a certain rpm the Centrifugal/turbo cars equal the PD cars in power & torque it's usually around 32-3600 rpms rang. Ok from that point the Centrifugal/turbo cars are steady getting faster while the PD cars are slowly dropping off in power. Ok so let me ask you this question, would you want more instant power that you really have a harder time utilizing for first 1000-1500 rpms or would you want more power for the last 3000-3500+ rpms? Another fact, when you are changing gears your car is not dropping back down to the rpms where the PD car has more power guess what it's in the upper rpms where the Centrifugal/turbo has more power. This is not even considering the heat soak a PD cars has over the Centrifugal/turbo cars add that & there is a clear winner.

Im not just stating MASHING the gas as you say at idle and enjoying some wheelspin. Light and part throttle, the car feels like a low revving pushrod engine. It actually has useable driveable power down low for everyday use without going WOT.
As for PD car's dropping off in power at 3500ish rpm? My power curve is a straight line all the way to 7500 rpm.
IAT's also better than stock. I usually see a few degree's lower than ambient driving around. Sitting in traffic it might go 10º over ambient, but quickly drop when i start rolling.

I think you need to do a bit more research on the newer PD blowers on these cars. Can you make more power with a centri/turbo? Yeah, sure. At this level it's really negligible. There's some PD guys on 93 making 700-750whp. I'd be up there as well if I didn't have a Lund tune running 16º timing... But anyways better driveability around town, and just a pleasure to drive. I really cant stress enough how well the pedal feel is now and driving around(out of boost)

 

[foghat]

looking at the team beefcake racing website, it doesn't seem like the Paxton is that much cheaper than the Whipple, once you add on Lund remote tune, nGauge and race BOV. And Whipple comes with an optional engine warranty, for those that want to run a stock motor.

Keeping in mind at that price point the paxton includes id1000's and bap. Not sure you need the race bov, maybe... And is 800whp capable in that config, which I don't think the whipple is without spending another $850 on throttle body and injectors.

minus the bov, it is $1,000 difference if you add the $250 for upgraded injectors on the whipple - which many recommend doing since you have to take the blower off to change them should you decide to do it later.

Whether $1000 makes the paxton 'much' cheaper or not, depends on perspective, I suppose.

I also suspect more people are willing to try a centri self-install vs. whipple self-install - or maybe not.

Yes there is a warranty option with the whipple, but soon as you start playing that game, whipple can get a lot more as the self-install option is out the window.

Also, in my case, and I suspect a lot of others, I already have a tuner, so do not need to include the cost of the tuning hardware either. So that obviously makes the paxton a that much cheaper option for some folks.

 

[gsxr1300]

No power dropping off here!

 

[jayman33]

No power dropping off here!

lol, just keeps going!!

 

[Dolsvt00]

Ive been reluctant to post this here because of all the power dropping off threads ect. Rest assured, thats not what is going on here, this was an intentional roll off the throttle at around 6600, 6700 as I had an extensive amount of software and hardware inside the car monitoring everything, this car was running out of fuel due to not having the supporting mods needed for the power it could make. When a fuel pressure needle starts going backwards, you get out of it.


I am posting it here however to allow insight on how differently the blowers make power. This is a paxton with a 3.8 pulley and ID1000s, otherwise the car is completely stock. fuel system, exhaust ect ect. this was a 50/50 mix E85 and what I suspect was 91oct. In order to compare it to the dyno sheet above you have to consider the x axis is MPH and the correction factor is SAE which for obvious reasons reads lower the pull was started at 3k and I rolled out at around 6600 rpm.

The other pull is the same car bone stock.

 

[Pincushin3819]

Aw man look what I've started, it's turning in to a witch hunt. First let me be clear [MENTION=16505]Obsol3te[/MENTION], what I said is Centrifugal/turbos meet a PD car in power usually around 3500ish rpms, not that the PD drops in power there.
2nd I like PD I really like Whipple 2.9 it is a bad ass on this lititle 5.0 & DOES carry to red line in a certain efficient rang or should I say power level. But after that it will start to taper off, that's why I said 90% of people will never drive these cars to the max meaning if you make 750 whp with your whipple you are a happy camper. But if you start spinning the Whipple harder & faster out of its efficiency rang you will see heat soak & lose power.
About mashing the gas seriously? If you did this in stock trim it will blow the tires off, unless you were doing a burn out I wouldn't expect anyone to do it, this was just to start an example.
I'm not trying to start a debate I have my own preference, everyone does. There is really no right or wrong choice here, to me how power is delivered & growing potential with a centrifugal over a PD is MY winner. Didn't mean to step on any toes or ruffle any feathers. :cheers:

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