Paxton vs whipple

[Chris@Lethal]

Trying to decide what I want what are your guys opinion on these two systems and what are the plus and drawbacks to each system? And what are the power numbers looking like from both systems and the reliability for both systems also what is the maintenance looking like for both systems? Looking to get max 700 hp out of either what would I need to do that for both systems?

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[agrump]

Which one is more efficient off boost, in other words which one will return the best mpg cruising on the highway?

 

[RockStang]

Which one is more efficient off boost, in other words which one will return the best mpg cruising on the highway?

It's going to be relatively the same. Staying out of boost is what is going to make the difference. If you took the same 100 mile drive with 0 traffic and were cruising at 70mph, I'd be willing to bet they are identical. That being said, if one kit is poorly tuned for drivability and the other is dialed in, you could see a difference.

 

[beefcake]

we did a whipple last week on a custom setup, 759 rwhp, we did a paxton the week before that, 750 rwhp

both very capable packages. give us a ring to discuss options, and we'll get you dialed in

i'm around til 10pm everynight and weekends to answer questions
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[Chris@Lethal]

Which one is more efficient off boost, in other words which one will return the best mpg cruising on the highway?

Like rockstang said, as long as the tune is dialed in correctly and you stay out of boost, MPG should be relatively close to stock.

 

[RockStang]

Funny that Beefcake mentioned his installs. I was going to post the dyno charts from his recents Vortech and Whipple installs from his threads but I wasn't sure on the rules about that. They just show a good representation of the power curve difference between the Whipple and a Paxton 2200/Vortech JT. Not exactly the same peak boost but you get the idea.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60173

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61020

 

[beefcake]

Funny that Beefcake mentioned his installs. I was going to post the dyno charts from his recents Vortech and Whipple installs from his threads but I wasn't sure on the rules about that. They just show a good representation of the power curve difference between the Whipple and a Paxton 2200/Vortech JT. Not exactly the same peak boost but you get the idea.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60173

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61020

i'll do you one better, and overlay tom and joes graph, i highlighted where the boost is almost identical, and if you look at the numbers, they are so crazy close it's ridiculous.

the whipple is stronger down low, but there is more boost there.

thats why i always say it comes down to driving style, and how you want to drive the car.

some people want more low end, some want more stock like low end.

at wot, both kits run very similar from that 5k plus, which you'll never go below at wot.

you just have to decide your driving style.

both are custom setups, both have our e85 fore setups, and ngauges with lund tunes.

you'll spend a little more on the whipple to get that low end,

again, pick your driving style, and let us do either setup for you

i know lots of guys claim 50+ installs, but at the end of the day, were one of the few places you'll see actually posting consistent installs, and graphs.

we do more blower setups than anyone out there.

we have another whipple stage 2 coming in next week with their tune, and we have a 3v whipple install going on this week.

 

[boxstang40]

Dont have a dog in this race but i lurk here a lot. Seems to me the paxton and whipple are the two best plug and play. Also see beefcake and whipple helping out a lot here. That said, i like the instant hit from the whipple but love that centri whistle. Its a tough choice between these two but i doubt youll go wrong either way op. :cheers:

 

[RockStang]

i'll do you one better, and overlay tom and joes graph, i highlighted where the boost is almost identical, and if you look at the numbers, they are so crazy close it's ridiculous.

the whipple is stronger down low, but there is more boost there.

thats why i always say it comes down to driving style, and how you want to drive the car.

some people want more low end, some want more stock like low end.

at wot, both kits run very similar from that 5k plus, which you'll never go below at wot.

you just have to decide your driving style.

both are custom setups, both have our e85 fore setups, and ngauges with lund tunes.

you'll spend a little more on the whipple to get that low end,

again, pick your driving style, and let us do either setup for you

i know lots of guys claim 50+ installs, but at the end of the day, were one of the few places you'll see actually posting consistent installs, and graphs.

we do more blower setups than anyone out there.

we have another whipple stage 2 coming in next week with their tune, and we have a 3v whipple install going on this week.

Well that makes it a whole lot easier. Thanks.

 

[Roh92cp]

I've never understood the argument over PD's having better low end over centrifugal & even turbos (it's senseless). Think of it like this if you're sitting at idle & mash the gas you get an instant hit of power with a PD car yes, is it more than a Centrifugal or turbo yes. Ok here's where things get good, by the time these cars cross a certain rpm the Centrifugal/turbo cars equal the PD cars in power & torque it's usually around 32-3600 rpms rang. Ok from that point the Centrifugal/turbo cars are steady getting faster while the PD cars are slowly dropping off in power. Ok so let me ask you this question, would you want more instant power that you really have a harder time utilizing for first 1000-1500 rpms or would you want more power for the last 3000-3500+ rpms? Another fact, when you are changing gears your car is not dropping back down to the rpms where the PD car has more power guess what it's in the upper rpms where the Centrifugal/turbo has more power. This is not even considering the heat soak a PD cars has over the Centrifugal/turbo cars add that & there is a clear winner.

Aw man look what I've started, it's turning in to a witch hunt. First let me be clear @Obsol3te , what I said is Centrifugal/turbos meet a PD car in power usually around 3500ish rpms, not that the PD drops in power there.
2nd I like PD I really like Whipple 2.9 it is a bad ass on this lititle 5.0 & DOES carry to red line in a certain efficient rang or should I say power level. But after that it will start to taper off, that's why I said 90% of people will never drive these cars to the max meaning if you make 750 whp with your whipple you are a happy camper. But if you start spinning the Whipple harder & faster out of its efficiency rang you will see heat soak & lose power.
About mashing the gas seriously? If you did this in stock trim it will blow the tires off, unless you were doing a burn out I wouldn't expect anyone to do it, this was just to start an example.
I'm not trying to start a debate I have my own preference, everyone does. There is really no right or wrong choice here, to me how power is delivered & growing potential with a centrifugal over a PD is MY winner. Didn't mean to step on any toes or ruffle any feathers. :cheers:

Not that your stepping on toes really, just that you are spreading miss information as if its fact. Then you contradict yourself highlighted in blue above, but still seem to think your right:shrug:

 

[jayman33]

Just did another Whipple and have more coming in for install. This was a stage 2 with Whipple tune and fans among some other non power bolt ons. We still love the OEM quality of these kits.

But you'll be happy with any kit you pick up, all make more power than your engine can handle or have the capability to do so. Our Whipple kits are our most popular option to customers but we offer all the packages and under one roof

 

[Pincushin3819]

Not that your stepping on toes really, just that you are spreading miss information as if its fact. Then you contradict yourself highlighted in blue above, but still seem to think your right:shrug:

Dude it was explained in the 2nd quote right after the part you highlighted in blue. AGAIN one more time just for you. You take your or any 2.9 whipple charger out of it efficiency rang which will happen when you pulley it down heat soak & loss of power will happen. It's not miss information & yes I'm right about that. To make this simple for you, since you have a hard time understanding what I mean. Make over 900+ whp with a whipple 2.9 & then with a Paxton 2200sl & then over lay a dyno sheet you will see the difference, do 5 pulls back to back & see a huge difference between the two.

 

[Pincushin3819]

Stage 2 Whipple FTW! Here you can see our car with the stage 2 kit with ID1000s and JMS BAP making 850+. Shoot me a PM if you need any pricing!

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[Roh92cp]

I've never understood the argument over PD's having better low end over centrifugal & even turbos (it's senseless). Think of it like this if you're sitting at idle & mash the gas you get an instant hit of power with a PD car yes, is it more than a Centrifugal or turbo yes. Ok here's where things get good, by the time these cars cross a certain rpm the Centrifugal/turbo cars equal the PD cars in power & torque it's usually around 32-3600 rpms rang. Ok from that point the Centrifugal/turbo cars are steady getting faster while the PD cars are slowly dropping off in power. Ok so let me ask you this question, would you want more instant power that you really have a harder time utilizing for first 1000-1500 rpms or would you want more power for the last 3000-3500+ rpms? Another fact, when you are changing gears your car is not dropping back down to the rpms where the PD car has more power guess what it's in the upper rpms where the Centrifugal/turbo has more power. This is not even considering the heat soak a PD cars has over the Centrifugal/turbo cars add that & there is a clear winner.

Dude it was explained in the 2nd quote right after the part you highlighted in blue. AGAIN one more time just for you. You take your or any 2.9 whipple charger out of it efficiency rang which will happen when you pulley it down heat soak & loss of power will happen. It's not miss information & yes I'm right about that. To make this simple for you, since you have a hard time understanding what I mean. Make over 900+ whp with a whipple 2.9 & then with a Paxton 2200sl & then over lay a dyno sheet you will see the difference, do 5 pulls back to back & see a huge difference between the two.

Well now your painting a different picture, but your clearly indicated PD compressors start to drop off at midrange levels around 3500 rpm which is not true on this motor. look at the dyno graph posted power keeps climbing to 7500 even 7800 rpm in whipple 2.9 case. Hell just look what lethal just posted with their 850whp 150 mph 1/4 2.9L whipple, and that's a stock motor with long tubes.

 

[jayman33]

Another customer leaving our shop happy with a Whipple install.

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