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the GT350 manual says to and also for I4, but the GT one says 5w30.
I am aware of all of those, plus the gt500 of all years, the Boss 302, and gen1 track pack. All 5w50. However I still have seen nothing from Ford stating the gen3 5.0 should use anything but 5w20 on the street and 5w30 track-only.
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The Smart guys know exactly what RPM's to stay away from.
So you implying I don't know what I'm talking about ? That's fine. Colour me stupid then, and carry on.
 

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So you implying I don't know what I'm talking about ?
I haven’t implied anything.

The “Smart Guys” is a reference to men like Warren Johnson, Bob Glidden, Dale Armstrong, Austin Coil etc. etc. Don’t forget the greatest of all, Smokey Yunick.
Those are a few of the Horse Power founding fathers.
 
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Call your dealership and ask if Ford is recommending 5W50 now on 18+ GTs. I’ll bet they say yes.
If that's the case, then there would also be an accompanying TSB instructing all dealers to make the change going forward. I'd like to see that document, until then it's just hearsay or just one random dealership saying so to charge 3x as much for every 18+ GT oil change (w20 is $4/qt w50 is $12/qt).
 

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I bet less than 10 people could accurately answer that question and they all work for Ford or a contractor under NDA
I’d wager any Engine Dyno operator worth their salt that has their crankshaft style dynamometer outfitted with load cells, vibration sensors could hone in on the critical speed demons during a few warm up sweeps.
 
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then there would also be an accompanying TSB instructing all dealers to make the change going forward.
they can't obviously because otherwise Ford would be on the hook for millions in EPA 'effeciency' fines after having to restate MPG figures. VW diesel-gate part deux. Ford passes those fines onto consumers at time of purchase if you look at the window sticker.

5w50 for track use sure. I don't know why 5w50 was specified for the GT350 that seems nuts for street use unless the tolerances are such sh*t it requires it. The Voodoo should be indiscernible from a Gen2 Coyote so what did FP do wrong?
 

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I’d wager any Engine Dyno operator worth their salt that has their crankshaft style dynamometer outfitted with load cells, vibration sensors could hone in on the critical speed demons during a few warm up sweeps.
For lateral criticals, you are correct. However, I bet that the unsupported lengths are short enough such that the laterals are very high. I'd be more concerned about the torsional criticals, which are orders of magnitude more difficult to measure.
 

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I don't know why 5w50 was specified for the GT350 that seems nuts for street use unless the tolerances are such sh*t it requires it. The Voodoo should be indiscernible from a Gen2 Coyote so what did FP do wrong?
Ford specified 5W50 for all performance variants of the Mustang since about 2007, not just the GT350. It has nothing to do with the "tolerances", or clearances for that matter. They didn't do anything wrong. It's more like they weighed the intended severity of use of the vehicle vs the affect it has on the CAFE rating and determined it was worth it to specify the 5W50 in those cases.
 

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I'd be more concerned about the torsional criticals, which are orders of magnitude more difficult to measure.
Wouldn’t an oscilloscope connected to the crank pickup help hone in on the critical points ?
 

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Ford specified 5W50 for all performance variants of the Mustang since about 2007, not just the GT350.
right, because the units shiped is so miniscule they don't register in fleet metrics. But since too many GT are sold they fudged the oil recommendation to not have to slap every GT with a $1000 cost-to-buy fine which might impact units sold.

I don't know what the actual non-political, pure engineering oil choice would be but I'll lay good money 5w20 isn't it.
 
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Wouldn’t an oscilloscope connected to the crank pickup help hone in on the critical points ?
Yes, that would be a smart way to start, but you would need numerous multi-event wheels positioned along the crankshaft and cams as well. If your crank reluctor happened to be at a node, then it wouldn't show any oscillation at all even if there were significant issues. Keep in mind that all 4 cams would play into the harmonics, their own rotational inertias, along with all 4 cam chains acting as springs. I get a headache just thinking about the complexity of the analysis.
 
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right, because the units ships is so miniscule they don't register in fleet metrics. But since too many GT are sold they fudged the oil recommendation to not have to slap every GT with a $1000 cost-to-buy fine which might impact units sold.

I don't know what the actual non-political, pure engineering oil choice would be but I'll lay good money 5w20 isn't it.
I agree with all of this! I would love to know what a Ford tribologist would put in his own personal Mustang GT. Like I said, I think 5w30 or 5w40 is a good compromise, which is why I use 5w40 in my own. If you look at the non-CAFE world such as marine (outboard, inboard, PWC), ATV, UTV, snowmobile, diesel, etc, the vast majority use Xw40 as well.
 

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If that's the case, then there would also be an accompanying TSB instructing all dealers to make the change going forward. I'd like to see that document, until then it's just hearsay or just one random dealership saying so to charge 3x as much for every 18+ GT oil change (w20 is $4/qt w50 is $12/qt).
My dealer charged me about $30 more. Big deal. Trust me they’re not “killing it” recommending 5W50. And 100% it doesn’t hurt the car. All I know is my 18 doesn’t tick so something is being done right.
 
 








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