Methanol kit

[andrewtac]

good so far, still haven’t been to the track to give it a full run. Hopefully this month, work has been rather busy and I am never home.

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[Leonidas514]

Thanks man

 

[Jackson1320]

good so far, still haven’t been to the track to give it a full run. Hopefully this month, work has been rather busy and I am never home.

That’s how it goes. If you have enough money you don’t have time. If you have time you don’t have enough money

 

[andrewtac]

That’s how it goes. If you have enough money you don’t have time. If you have time you don’t have enough money

Story of my life....

 

[DougS550]

Hi guys, I just had my ESS centrifugal supercharger system installed and tuned by PBD on 93 (9.5 psi pulley).
I'll be sticking to 93 with no plans to move to E85 so I'm looking to add some extra knock protection and cooling (live in Texas).
I'm running Kooks green cats with my LTHs so don't really want to use any MMT based products long term.
From what I've been reading it seems water/methanol injection should do what I need. I won't be tuning for it, just using as a safety net

Can anyone link to a good methanol kit for a 2020 GT PP1 A10?

I have seen this but looking to see if there's something better/more specific for my car
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/avm-30-3300

Thanks!

Hey Muffin, which Meth kit did you go with.
Can you controll when the meth injects and how much in relation to boost levels??
Since I'm not going to drag race and I don't want to run E85 a meth kit would probably be best for me when I do go above 7.5-12 boost. I was also considering to get an adjustable BOV so if I want to run a small pulley all the time, but limit my max RPM. boost I can do so.
Tell me what you think.
Thanks

 

[andrewtac]

Hey Muffin, which Meth kit did you go with.
Can you controll when the meth injects and how much in relation to boost levels??
Since I'm not going to drag race and I don't want to run E85 a meth kit would probably be best for me when I do go above 7.5-12 boost. I was also considering to get an adjustable BOV so if I want to run a small pulley all the time, but limit my max RPM. boost I can do so.
Tell me what you think.
Thanks

Snow kit has a boost reference and you can ramp it in. Mine currently comes on at 8psi and goes to max at 12psi.

 

[DougS550]

Snow kit has a boost reference and you can ramp it in. Mine currently comes on at 8psi and goes to max at 12psi.

Sweet. How long does your meth tank last on the street Or max RPM boost driving at the track. Are you 100% meth. Thanks..

 

[andrewtac]

Sweet. How long does your meth tank last on the street Or max RPM boost driving at the track. Are you 100% meth. Thanks..

40/60; water/meth; I have a free supply otherwise I'd run 50/50. I filled it to about 3/4 this summer still have some left. However, I am on E, and I only arm it if IATs are up. I really like how the controls of the snow. The only thing I dislike is the test button is on the top menu, should be a sub menu in my opinion (so you don't accidentally run it). But the ability to arm/disarm, adjust the ramp, and so on is really well thought out.

 

[DougS550]

40/60; water/meth; I have a free supply otherwise I'd run 50/50. I filled it to about 3/4 this summer still have some left. However, I am on E, and I only arm it if IATs are up. I really like how the controls of the snow. The only thing I dislike is the test button is on the top menu, should be a sub menu in my opinion (so you don't accidentally run it). But the ability to arm/disarm, adjust the ramp, and so on is really well thought out.

That sound perfect for my Future application. I am also concidering a electronically controlled BOV and run a small pulley which will give me a higher boost at lower RPM and then relief at a maximum boost when it hits Redline. Thanks for your help.

 

[andrewtac]

That sound perfect for my Future application. I am also concidering a electronically controlled BOV and run a small pulley which will give me a higher boost at lower RPM and then relief at a maximum boost when it hits Redline. Thanks for your help.

I thought about this too, but decided against it as you are trading some of the characteristics of the centri to make it behave like a turbo. While constant torque/boost is cool; I like the lower boost down low, to help with traction and soften the hit and then the linear ramp with RPM to get to the top and the A10 just keeps it there. It will require more power from the motor to spin the smaller pulley and make more heat for the same psi on the top end. It should work, just wasn't for me.

 

[Jackson1320]

I thought about this too, but decided against it as you are trading some of the characteristics of the centri to make it behave like a turbo. While constant torque/boost is cool; I like the lower boost down low, to help with traction and soften the hit and then the linear ramp with RPM to get to the top and the A10 just keeps it there. It will require more power from the motor to spin the smaller pulley and make more heat for the same psi on the top end. It should work, just wasn't for me.

Excuse me I don’t mean any disrespect but It doesn’t take any more power to spin a smaller pulley and it doesn’t make any more heat. If both are set to make 15psi the torque booster will just get to 15psi at a lower rpm. But if both are making 15psi then they both will make the same heat and power lose at 15psi

 

[andrewtac]

Excuse me I don’t mean any disrespect but It doesn’t take any more power to spin a smaller pulley and it doesn’t make any more heat. If both are set to make 15psi the torque booster will just get to 15psi at a lower rpm. But if both are making 15psi then they both will make the same heat and power lose at 15psi

None taken. At the top of the RPM band, the smaller pulley would make a higher psi if it wasn't waist gated. Which means it is spinning the blower faster. At a higher blower rpm wouldn't there be more heat and also harder for the motor to turn it?

 

[illtal]

None taken. At the top of the RPM band, the smaller pulley would make a higher psi if it wasn't waist gated. Which means it is spinning the blower faster. At a higher blower rpm wouldn't there be more heat and also harder for the motor to turn it?

"wastegate"

the amount of resistance and friction is a set thing, it doesn't increase just because it gets more rpm. However, regarding the heat, it think that he meant that 15 PSI of heat is 15 PSI of heat regardless if you wastegate it or not.

Compression happens in the volute, and once it happens obviously compressing air creates heat there is no "extra" heat from using this method to get to the 15 PSI quicker. However if you go above that point there will be more heat.

 

[andrewtac]

"wastegate"

the amount of resistance and friction is a set thing, it doesn't increase just because it gets more rpm. However, regarding the heat, it think that he meant that 15 PSI of heat is 15 PSI of heat regardless if you wastegate it or not.

Compression happens in the volute, and once it happens obviously compressing air creates heat there is no "extra" heat from using this method to get to the 15 PSI quicker.

I was thinking the higher rpm of the impeller meant more compression, which I thought would be harder and also more compression more heat. Due to the wastewater not allowing more pressure to build, it stops making more pressure even though the rpm is higher so less resistance to the impeller; then only fighting friction?

 

[illtal]

I was thinking the higher rpm of the impeller meant more compression, which I thought would be harder and also more compression more heat. Due to the wastewater not allowing more pressure to build, it stops making more pressure even though the rpm is higher so less resistance to the impeller; then only fighting friction?

You are correct in that if you wanted 15PSI and spun to 20 PSI but bleed off 5 then yes, you have more heat than if you just spun to 15 PSI. The wastegate is only allowing 15 PSI in the pipe in this instance, the other 5 PSI is bled off. But the way Centris work is you get the 15 PSI at or near the red line. Thus if you wanted 15 PSI earlier you need the impeller rpm to be faster to that point. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

The only extra "friction" so to say would be if there was something slowing the impeller down (surge, or something)

Or maybe even an intake restriction not letting you reach the goal of 15 psi.

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