Mach 1 HP wheels

[Charlemagne]

It'd cost me 2k including shipping to Europe in container, customs and VAT, but that's still half of HRE wheels

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[Atlas1]

I know motortrend article said so, read it yesterday too and wondered, but they are most definitely not forged.
The official Ford infographic says they are cast aluminum, see below. Some clarification on the possible difference from official source would be welcome, though, so I asked in Levittown topic too.

The oem HP wheels are a forged cast aluminum wheel. You’re correct they are not a “forged” wheel like you see from the aftermarket but they are an improvement over a standard cast wheel. Where they fit on the spectrum between a cast and a true forged I can’t say.

 

[Charlemagne]

@Atlas1 Do you mean something like "flow formed" which are sometimes called "flow forged"? That's more of a marketing misnomer. Imo there is no such thing as forged cast aluminum. It's either forged or cast. But there are lot more knowleadgable people around to clarify. Perhaps Ford Performance will answer on the difference or if there is any.

Compare oem PP2 wheels (10.5" and 11") with the FP PP2 wheels, they're very similar but with different colour, and their price is half as well (some 350 vs 650$ iirc). So it kinda reminds this situation as well with HP oem wheels just being terribly overpriced. But in this case the colour and look seems to be 100% identical from what I can tell.

FP even uses the same marketing language:
"Factory equipment on 2021 Mustang Mach 1 Handling Package" - clearly means it's the same as oem, doesn't it?
"Made with Cast Aluminum for a track-focused appearance" - same as on the infographic

 

[Atlas1]

@Atlas1 Do you mean something like "flow formed" which are sometimes called "flow forged"? That's more of a marketing misnomer. Imo there is no such thing as forged cast aluminum. It's either forged or cast. But there are lot more knowleadgable people around to clarify. Perhaps Ford Performance will answer on the difference or if there is any.

Compare oem PP2 wheels (10.5" and 11") with the FP PP2 wheels, they're very similar but with different colour, and their price is half as well (some 350 vs 650$ iirc). So it kinda reminds this situation as well with HP oem wheels just being terribly overpriced. But in this case the colour and look seems to be 100% identical from what I can tell.

FP even uses the same marketing language:
"Factory equipment on 2021 Mustang Mach 1 Handling Package" - clearly means it's the same as oem, doesn't it?
"Made with Cast Aluminum for a track-focused appearance" - same as on the infographic

You can forge a casting to improve its strength. That’s the concept behind flow forming……….it uses a mechanical process to increase the strength of the casting by stretching the grain. It’s not the same as starting with a forged block to machine but it’s better than a true cast.

 

[Charlemagne]

Edit: I sent an email to Ford Performance to ask whether they are identical or what the differences are, what weights and offsets they have.


Hm, different infographic says "forged with cast aluminum". Wonder if there really is a difference between them, I wouldn't take price alone as indicative of that.

I think the weight could tell us, if they're exact weight, they should be identical.

Here they talk about them only as about cast wheels. With the layered construction being responsible for "greater structural integrity for hard cornering".
https://www.motor1.com/news/462856/ford-mustang-mach-1-wheel-design/
https://www.hotcars.com/ford-reveals-mustang-mach-1-handling-package-sporting-wild-wheel-design/

 

[Smunczen]

So these will fit PP2?

 

[D Bergstrom]

I can’t imagine Ford is going to spend the money to make the exact same wheel with two different manufacturing processes. I would bet money the Ford Performance wheels are exactly the same as the OEM HP wheels, maybe just a color change. Like all Ford wheels, I am sure they are both heavy and made in China.

Just over $1,000 for these from Levittown is pretty crazy. Almost makes me want to buy a set, but think I would rather buy a light weight 19x11 square setup.

Doug

 

[D Bergstrom]

So these will fit PP2?

Don’t see any reason why they would’t. Front are the exact same specs. (19x10.5, 24mm offset) Rears are both 19x11, but PP2 wheels are 48mm offset, these are 52 mm offset.

Doug

 

[Bikeman315]

So these will fit PP2?

 

[Atlas1]

Edit: I sent an email to Ford Performance to ask whether they are identical or what the differences are, what weights and offsets they have.


Hm, different infographic says "forged with cast aluminum". Wonder if there really is a difference between them, I wouldn't take price alone as indicative of that.

I think the weight could tell us, if they're exact weight, they should be identical.

Here they talk about them only as about cast wheels. With the layered construction being responsible for "greater structural integrity for hard cornering".
https://www.motor1.com/news/462856/ford-mustang-mach-1-wheel-design/
https://www.hotcars.com/ford-reveals-mustang-mach-1-handling-package-sporting-wild-wheel-design/

I’ll dig around today and see what other info I can find.
mad for the layered construction, I think that relates to achieving the desired visual effects and not strength. It’s the forging of the alum cast that increases the strength.

 

[Charlemagne]

I asked directly Ford Performance whether they are identical to factory Mach 1 HP wheels and the answer is that they are.

The wheels are the Mach 1 Handling Pack wheels that are used for the production Mach 1 with the Handling Pack. They are a Cast Aluminum wheel.

Would be silly to sell some lower quality look-alike via Ford Performance.

I am 98% sure I will buy them and put 285/35 R19 front and 295/35 R19 rear on them

 

[Atlas1]

I can’t imagine Ford is going to spend the money to make the exact same wheel with two different manufacturing processes. I would bet money the Ford Performance wheels are exactly the same as the OEM HP wheels, maybe just a color change. Like all Ford wheels, I am sure they are both heavy and made in China.

Just over $1,000 for these from Levittown is pretty crazy. Almost makes me want to buy a set, but think I would rather buy a light weight 19x11 square setup.

Doug

Another way to look at it…..
Ford had to spend the money to make the HP wheels achieve a certain minimum strength to satisfy engineering. They then found a supplier that can make a cheaper version of the same stylw wheel that they can offer for sale as well.
I do not believe they are the same wheel. Theres just too big of a discrepancy in the cost of this set and a single wheel from Ford.

 

[Smunczen]

I read that but still was a little vague.

 

[Bikeman315]

I read that but still was a little vague.

Not sure what is vague but give them a call. Since the wheels are the same size I bet they say yes.

 

[Mikepol2]

Edit: I sent an email to Ford Performance to ask whether they are identical or what the differences are, what weights and offsets they have.

I think the weight could tell us, if they're exact weight, they should be identical.

Thought you guys would like these. 2021 mustang Mach 1 wheels w/(handling package) These are function Prototypes. These are made in the US!

Things I know,
Front rim 19x10.5 24 mm
Weight est 33 lbs /Need to remove tire
Rear rim 19x11 et 52.5 mm
Weight 31 lbs

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