Limp Mode on the Track

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Cars overheating and going into limp mode have been a trend lately.

The C7 Singrays with the A8 had that problem, as did the Z06 with the A8. It's part of the reason the Gen 6 Camaro is so heavily built with cooling from the factory, all these modern cars are running hot for emissions and the proximity to heat sensitive areas, like transmissions, is causing a problem.

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[montreal ponies]

That is what really got my attention with this...MY17 standard equipment. I mean, it makes sense to revise the packaging for 2017...it works for everyone now. You can finally get any (nearly) option(s) combination you want...

I'm sure we can all guess on why FP would do this...but it would nice to hear it from the "horse's mouth"...

So what are you planning to do with your car? Is it possible for you to get into a MY17? Or are you just going to go aftermarket for possible cooling solutions, etc?

I'm having discussions with my salesman and the service manager as to see if they would want to keep my ( to come ) '16 in their inventory.

I've been assigned a VIN, so too late to cancel the order. If they say yes, well i'll be ordering a base '17.... If not, well i' m really hoping someone , either Ford ( hoping )or aftermarket comes up with an affordable solution without having to change the tranny.

 

[Strokerswild]

It's not just cars.....

I'm into snowmobiles in the winter, and due to the EPA and warranty concerns by the OEMs the 2-stroke stuff is on the ragged edge of sanity. It's pretty common for some of the new stuff to have some pretty healthy power fade once the sensors report anything awry to the helm and the nannies kick in.

 

[stanglife]

Well until July 2018 I'll be driving on the autobahn. So, it may be possible since I'll be driving plenty fast.


2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

I'm curious how I (we) got by for so long with cars that didn't have these coolers installed. I don't recall any "burned up" transmissions. As far as the read end goes, I've always thought that excessive heat was from the diff working around corners, is that wrong?

Finally we got Jeff to agree with us !

Shit happens!

 

[mattlqx]

I can see this being an issue for even the track pack in the summer. Just did Barber this weekend (has a few decent straights, but not a super high speed track - mostly 3rd gear). OAT was 60F and engine oil topped 250 as well as the rear diff. So if OAT was 90F you'd be bumping that 280 mark on both. Trans never got that hot though.

It doesn't really work that way. Adding 30 degrees ambient won't necessarily add 30 degrees to the cooled fluid temperatures. For one, you don't know the duty cycle of the cooler. The diff cooler for instance is electrically controlled. Was the pump running the whole time? Is it variable speed? Was coolant thermostat wide-open to cool the engine block and transfer heat from the oil? I'd be willing to bet the overall increase wouldn't be linear even if all those variables were static.

 

[combustor]

It doesn't really work that way. Adding 30 degrees ambient won't necessarily add 30 degrees to the cooled fluid temperatures. For one, you don't know the duty cycle of the cooler. The diff cooler for instance is electrically controlled. Was the pump running the whole time? Is it variable speed? Was coolant thermostat wide-open to cool the engine block and transfer heat from the oil? I'd be willing to bet the overall increase wouldn't be linear even if all those variables were static.

I'm willing to bet it would be. If the coolers weren't running full time in those conditions that would be stupid. At those temperatures the oil begins to break down rapidly. Coolant was in the 230's so that thermostat was also wide open the whole time. In my experience with aircraft engines it is a linear relationship to OAT when your cooling capacity is maxed out.

 

[ThreeFiveO]

Not to throw gas on the fire here but I just noticed the car on the gt350 TRACK tour home page is a tech pack.

 

[Katastrophe]

I'm having discussions with my salesman and the service manager as to see if they would want to keep my ( to come ) '16 in their inventory.

I've been assigned a VIN, so too late to cancel the order. If they say yes, well i'll be ordering a base '17.... If not, well i' m really hoping someone , either Ford ( hoping )or aftermarket comes up with an affordable solution without having to change the tranny.

Depending on your relationship with the dealership, I can't see that being an issue. Besides, if you're buying a MY17, you're already paying more than your base MY16 (or did you order a Tech?)...so more money for them.

But, in the end, even if you are "stuck" with the MY16, it's not like you have a POS. Best of luck!

 

[montreal ponies]

Depending on your relationship with the dealership, I can't see that being an issue. Besides, if you're buying a MY17, you're already paying more than your base MY16 (or did you order a Tech?)...so more money for them.

But, in the end, even if you are "stuck" with the MY16, it's not like you have a POS. Best of luck!

I got a base car. If it doesn't work out in the end, well i'll be more than happy to own such a great car and won't loose sleep over the cooling issue as i ´m sure someone will come up with a fix.

 

[65sohc]

Ironically Ford's achievements in lowering drag and underbody turbulence have likely reduced airflow past the tranmission.

 

[Katastrophe]

I got a base car. If it doesn't work out in the end, well i'll be more than happy to own such a great car and won't loose sleep over the cooling issue as i ´m sure someone will come up with a fix.

Reading fail on my part...I see it in your signature, now, Haha.

All in all, though... an awesome car with a (potentially needed) fix that can be solved with some ingenuity.

 

[Caballus]

Not to throw gas on the fire here but I just noticed the car on the gt350 TRACK tour home page is a tech pack.

Reinforces the point about Ford's marketing of the GT350. You don't have to read between the lines to get the message that the GT350 can handle more than 10-20 minutes on the track when you're looking at it's spoiler with "FP Track Tour" above it. It certainly doesn't have coolers on it since none exist. If it's an oversight, it's one that they shouldn't be making. Whether from incompetence or dishonesty, it is still undeniably misleading.

 

[mattlqx]

Reinforces the point about Ford's marketing of the GT350. You don't have to read between the lines to get the message that the GT350 can handle more than 10-20 minutes on the track when you're looking at it's spoiler with "FP Track Tour" above it. It certainly doesn't have coolers on it since none exist. If it's an oversight, it's one that they shouldn't be making. Whether from incompetence or dishonesty, it is still undeniably misleading.

It's a marketing site. The people who made it had zero interaction with the people who made the car. This is how large companies work.

 

[Caballus]

It's a marketing site. The people who made it had zero interaction with the people who made the car. This is how large companies work.

They are agents of FP. Ford is responsible, regardless to how large their company is and who they hire to do their business. That's simply the law, and it's that way for a reason. They can't push it off on someone else and then say, "yeah, but look at page 25 of the owner's manual." Inconceivable. And it's one of many examples. Not a single instance.

 

[lemers]

It's a marketing site. The people who made it had zero interaction with the people who made the car. This is how large companies work.

Wrong, someone at FP must had interaction with the marketing people. They didn't just come up with their marketing in a vacuum.


2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

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