Idiot Tesla Drivers

[K4fxd]

That was complete misinformation.

Maybe, but physics do have a play here. In order to charge that fast you need a phenomenal amount of current. Where is it going to come from, especially when 10 or 20 are trying to fast charge at the same time.

Not possible at this time and won't be until 3 or 400 more power plants are built.

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[XFactor7889]

It's a well-written post and I understand you are a big advocate of EVs. I'm surprised after reading that post that you own a Mustang rather than an EV. I'm not sure why. Obviously you prefer Mustangs or you wouldn't own one. Maybe you are just trying to be the devil's advocate and say things here you don't truly believe?

I'm not on a Mustang forum to argue about EVs. So, I'm not going to. I like Mustangs better (as long as I can get one for a reasonable price with a V8 engine and a manual transmission).

However, many of the same flaws I see in EVs I see in all new cars. That's why I own a 2017 rather than something newer. I think after 2017 there are major flaws in almost all ICE vehicles that have made me not purchase them. My 2021 Camaro was purchased with the thought that I can hopefully fix some of the flaws before the poorly designed engine destroys itself.

Given that I was aiming to be respectful to you, I am going to assume that you are doing so with me here. So assuming that, I hope you are aware that your post comes across as condescending. I was simply stating facts in my post, no beliefs whatsoever.

 

[XFactor7889]

Maybe, but physics do have a play here. In order to charge that fast you need a phenomenal amount of current. Where is it going to come from, especially when 10 or 20 are trying to fast charge at the same time.

Not possible at this time and won't be until 3 or 400 more power plants are built.

Certainly fair to point out that more is needed. But, just because it isn't there now doesn't mean nothing should be done at all.

 

[Hack]

Given that I was aiming to be respectful to you, I am going to assume that you are doing so with me here. So assuming that, I hope you are aware that your post comes across as condescending. I was simply stating facts in my post, no beliefs whatsoever.

Most of what you posted didn't seem correct to me. Either exaggerated or just plain wrong. After reading it I felt you are biased towards EVs and probably don't even own a Mustang. But I would be interested to hear what you like about your Mustang and why you own it rather than an EV.

 

[K4fxd]

But, just because it isn't there now doesn't mean nothing should be done at all.

For what purpose? All that is happening is trading the pollution point from each vehicle to a central one. And with all the extra points will be a net loss when you figure build costs for extra pollution.

100% EV is not practical until we get the Mr. Fusion, as in the movie back to the future.

 

[XFactor7889]

Most of what you posted didn't seem correct to me. Either exaggerated or just plain wrong. After reading it I felt you are biased towards EVs and probably don't even own a Mustang. But I would be interested to hear what you like about your Mustang and why you own it rather than an EV.

Please, feel free to fact check me. And provide sources. I'm always happy to discuss.

 

[Hack]

Please, feel free to fact check me. And provide sources. I'm always happy to discuss.

I just don't want to type all that out. I'm still interested to hear about what you love about your Mustang.

 

[XFactor7889]

I just don't want to type all that out. I'm still interested to hear about what you love about your Mustang.

I'll be happy to give you that as soon as you point out the errors and beliefs I placed in my response to you.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

I just don't want to type all that out. I'm still interested to hear about what you love about your Mustang.

So let me get this straight. Because he makes a thoughtful point about EVs, he now needs to prove to you why he likes mustangs? Are you that narrow minded?

 

[gone_n_60]

Side issue, my wife and I took a road trip in the Bullitt last week, had to wait 30 minutes to get my car out of the valet garage (no choice) because only ONE of the drivers could drive manual............

That is the car guys (or persons) default security system now! LOL

 

[LOL WUT]

Alright, I was ignoring the diesel generators posts previously. But, I'd suggest you do a little more digging into this. That was complete misinformation.

More shots fired. Don’t feed the trolls.

 

[Bulldog9]

Hey Keyboard Warriors................

This thread is about observed jackassery on the part of Tesla drivers on the road. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads to debate the EV thing.

 

[XFactor7889]

Hey Keyboard Warriors................

This thread is about observed jackassery on the part of Tesla drivers on the road. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads to debate the EV thing.

Fair enough. I'm tapping out. Sorry to sidetrack your thread.

 

[MAGS1]

Your counterpoint is fair, but it largely depends on how many of those repairs would be defined as maintenance for say, a 5-6 year-old car. By and large, none of that is necessary for EVs. But that aside, the counter to your point would be that, theoretically, EV owners could be building their savings over those years while the ICE owners repair parts of their engine over time. So, when it comes time to swap the battery, they will be well-prepared (we're ignoring for a second that the majority of Americans don't prepare this way, of course, but that is independent of the type of vehicle they own). There is also the fact that EV batteries are typically made up of multiple modules. If only a few of those modules are faulty, the only swaps necessary are those, not the entire battery. In theory, of course, I would imagine they would all be expected to age and deplete evenly, leading to the need to swap them all at once. Another thing to consider, look at cell phones today. A lot of consumers swap them out every few years. But, a lot of phone companies have taken the old phones, refurbished them, swapped out depleted batteries with new ones, then sell them to others who are comfortable with an older phone that is essentially like-new now. Maybe that could be the future for EVs as well.

I understand there are older vehicles out there still, but the average age of vehicles on the road is less than 13 years. And that average increased largely as a result of the supply chain issues that created new-vehicle shortages over the last few years. There are at least some analysts that are anticipating that to come back down now that new cars are back on dealer lots (assuming the rise in prices these last few years doesn't deter too many buyers, of course). That is simply to point out that the 20-30-40 year-old cars out on the road are generally the exception, not the rule. The majority of cars that old are likely finding themselves in the same place as the dead EVs, realistically.

I think the challenge regarding where the technology stands today and where auto manufacturers are is that there is indeed a market for it right now. We've seen that, right? Two Teslas in the top 10 in new vehicle sales in the US seems to establish that well. And auto manufacturers are going to market the heck out of their new technologies if they think there is a chance to produce new growth. That's the case with everything, not just EVs.

What I suspect bothers most within this forum is that this isn't a niche in the car market that many here care for (potential throat-cramming aside). But, I would say it's no different than the Corollas and Civics out there; the difference is most Corolla and Civic drivers don't leave sports-car enthusiasts feeling threatened at all. I can't say I've seen anyone start a thread complaining about the dumb Corolla drivers revving their engines and getting the whole shot on them at a red light recently.

Lots of fair points here. And for the record, I’m not anti-EV. I actually like the Mach E and a few others. I don’t care for Tesla at all. They’re ugly (my opinion) and poorly built. If you think Ford panel gaps and paint are bad, Tesla makes them look like Mercedes.

I think the cramming of EV down everyone’s throat is a large part of their sales, especially those that actually believe they’re saving the planet by buying one (and there are a lot of those folks out there). Some buyers are also those that want the shiniest, newest thing on the market and EV also fits that bill, particularly the higher end vehicles. So yes, there’s a good segment of the market for EV and it is growing. But I do think in places like Chicago and other cold weather areas, you’ll see sales start to level off. There were major charging issues this past winter when we had a stretch of near and sub zero weather. People don’t forget that their cars left them stranded in the cold because they won’t charge or there weren’t enough charging stations. They will go back to what’s more reliable.

Being fully aware that my tax dollars are never spent as originally intended, I’d much rather they be put to better use than subsidizing someone else’s purchase of said EV via tax credits not to mention all the subsidies that the automakers are getting for building said EV’s (be it in the form of actual cash, tax credits, tax abatements for new plants, etc). And I’m not naive to the fact that a lot of different companies in a lot of different industries receive various forms of subsidy as well. And I don’t much care for it, they either make it or they don’t. If a company is deemed too big to fail, that company is too big to begin with (but that’s a whole different bag of apples).

I’m also not a fan at all of these local governments implementing plans (or even laws) to ban the sale of new ICE vehicles by a certain date. CA has done it, I believe OR and WA have and I know where I live in IL it is currently on the docket (we in fact have a proposed bill to adopt all of the CA EPA regulations including the banning of the sale of new ICE vehicles by 2035). These governments may be surprised what the consumer actually chooses if you give them the choice and not force them in one direction. As we see in forums like this, there’s a lot of pushback and I suspect a lot of it is because of the forceful nature in which EV’s are being pushed.

Just some of my rambling thoughts on a Friday afternoon.

 

[CarmeloS]

Hey Keyboard Warriors................

This thread is about observed jackassery on the part of Tesla drivers on the road. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads to debate the EV thing.

As I said, all the Tesla owners out here are Prius drivers at heart, so you know they cant drive and hypermile. Lets also not forget the thermal runaway and the overall spontaneous combustion, or how an EV fire is 4-5’s hotter than ICE and cant be put out easily and can reignite without warning

Its not just the terrible drivers, its the fact they bastardized diesels and crucified them when EV’s are more lethal than the supposed emissions scandal

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