Idiot Tesla Drivers

[BlkMach10510]

Some commenters on here seem to be on the wrong forum.

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[AZ_Ryan]

I don't know. Seems like every Tesla I get behind drives slower than dog s**t.

 

[WildHorse]

Don't be scared little fella, just give it your best and you'll gap a Tesla too...

I love beating up on dual motor tesla's.

 

[Bulldog9]

I don't know. Seems like every Tesla I get behind drives slower than dog s**t.

That was the case for me too until recently. I bet they are former Hyundai/Kia owners who trash these cars and now are in a used Tesla.

 

[AZ_Ryan]

Theres always going to be an idiot who tries to race you. Whether a its a riced out beater, or a mullet in a dodge, or some doushe in an EV, they're all equally annoying in my book.

But when it comes to EVs, I always get a kick out of how triggered people get. Especially the people who know they won't win against one in a race. I'm pretty sure Tesla owners don't give two shits about your exhaust note when they gape you. Why a grown adult would street race in traffic is a whole other conversation...

Bottom line is there's always going to be a faster car. Getting mad about it because it's an EV is just small dick energy. Drive what you like and enjoy it. Life is too short to worry about what other people drive. Don't pay attention to the idiots.

 

[Hack]

I'm not sure the numbers actually support that, tbh. Sales continue rising on an annual basis and carmakers are continuing to work on ways to generate economies of scale that will ultimately bring prices down while allowing for them to be profitable. EVs are still very much in the early adopter stage (maybe just entering the early majority stage). They'll likely continue to improve. With an average daily commute of about 42 miles in the US, there's plenty of reason to believe they'll ultimately be something for the masses. Just takes time.

A lot of middle class people who haven't researched buy EVs and then are surprised about how low the residual value is. When they finally go to sell the car they decide they aren't going to buy another, because they lost too much money on the deal. Only the real fanatics will continue to pump money into that market to "save the world". Most people try to be more sensible with money. Even buying a Mustang is a better choice.

I don't think EVs will catch on for most people unless there is some entirely new technology in super capacitors discovered. Chemical batteries seem to be too limited. They are too heavy, too expensive and difficult to recycle. They take much too long to recharge and they have short life. They aren't easy to repair.

I'm always interested to see what happens when I'm on the road and an EV owner decides to hammer the pedal down. Those people usually aren't "sporty car" people, so they don't have a lot of experience. I give them a wide berth when they decide to push it.

 

[XFactor7889]

A lot of middle class people who haven't researched buy EVs and then are surprised about how low the residual value is. When they finally go to sell the car they decide they aren't going to buy another, because they lost too much money on the deal. Only the real fanatics will continue to pump money into that market to "save the world". Most people try to be more sensible with money. Even buying a Mustang is a better choice.

I don't think EVs will catch on for most people unless there is some entirely new technology in super capacitors discovered. Chemical batteries seem to be too limited. They are too heavy, too expensive and difficult to recycle. They take much too long to recharge and they have short life. They aren't easy to repair.

I'm always interested to see what happens when I'm on the road and an EV owner decides to hammer the pedal down. Those people usually aren't "sporty car" people, so they don't have a lot of experience. I give them a wide berth when they decide to push it.

Respectfully, what you have described is really not unique to EVs at all. People buying new cars, conducting little research before doing so, and being surprised by low residual values when they move on has been going on long before EVs were a thing. There's a reason so many financial experts have made a living by telling people to avoid new cars and buy used.

The weight of EVs is irrelevant in today's automotive world. Of the top 10 new cars sold in the US in 2023, 5 of them weigh more than the Tesla Model Y (which sold the 4th most new cars in the US). The S550 GT500s are only 180 lbs lighter than a Model Y (that's less than the average weight of an adult male in the US). Even the Model 3 was the 10th best seller and weighs about the same as today's Mustang GT. EVs require less maintenance over their life than ICE cars, a big draw for the masses - it's not simply about "saving the world," some people just want a car they can drive to and from work without having to think about anything else.

It's fair to point out the expense and difficulty in repairing EVs when it comes time to replace a battery. But, the same can be said for ICE cars when it comes time to replace an engine. And absolutely, recycling old, depleted batteries is something that needs more attention. I don't think anyone would argue with that. But, much like people learned how to recycle old oil, it seems reasonable to expect that eventually people will figure out a good way to recycle used EV batteries. Keep in mind, much of the reasoning behind the arguments you have outlined against EVs was likely being thrown out by many when cars were first invented. There are a lot of brilliant people in this world that have a way of finding unique solutions to problems. It just takes time.

And to your last point; in fairness, I've seen far more videos of Mustang drivers losing control than I have EVs. I'm sure you weren't insinuating that "sporty car" people all can handle the power of the cars they drive. The Dunning-Kruger effect is real in the world of sports cars after all. So, I would argue that we should probably give a wide berth to anyone that decides to push it on a public road, regardless of what they're driving.

 

[MAGS1]

It's fair to point out the expense and difficulty in repairing EVs when it comes time to replace a battery. But, the same can be said for ICE cars when it comes time to replace an engine.

I guess counterpoint is you can repair an engine without having to fully replace it (most of the time) whereas you have no such option with a battery. While some engine repairs can get pricey, it would not be as much as a new battery. And you can repair them numerous times.

At least around here, there’s no shortage of 20-30-40 year old cars still out and about. Some sound like absolute hell and that they’re about to let go at any point, but they’re still out there. To my knowledge, that’s not happening with the first gen of modern EV’s. If/when the battery craps out, to the scrap heap they go. It’s an absolute waste IMO.

Improvements in battery technology, longevity, costs, etc. will no doubt happen but as you said it takes time. So, this push by the government/automakers needs to slow down (or stop altogether and let the market decide) and let the technology catch up. I think more people would be open to the idea of EV if it wasn’t being crammed down our throats with a bunch of doom and gloom.

Kinda off topic but I think it would be kind of funny if someone went to a junkyard and bought an old Tesla or Fiskar whose battery crapped out and did a coyote or LS swap.

 

[Hack]

Respectfully, what you have described is really not unique to EVs at all. People buying new cars, conducting little research before doing so, and being surprised by low residual values when they move on has been going on long before EVs were a thing. There's a reason so many financial experts have made a living by telling people to avoid new cars and buy used.

The weight of EVs is irrelevant in today's automotive world. Of the top 10 new cars sold in the US in 2023, 5 of them weigh more than the Tesla Model Y (which sold the 4th most new cars in the US). The S550 GT500s are only 180 lbs lighter than a Model Y (that's less than the average weight of an adult male in the US). Even the Model 3 was the 10th best seller and weighs about the same as today's Mustang GT. EVs require less maintenance over their life than ICE cars, a big draw for the masses - it's not simply about "saving the world," some people just want a car they can drive to and from work without having to think about anything else.

It's fair to point out the expense and difficulty in repairing EVs when it comes time to replace a battery. But, the same can be said for ICE cars when it comes time to replace an engine. And absolutely, recycling old, depleted batteries is something that needs more attention. I don't think anyone would argue with that. But, much like people learned how to recycle old oil, it seems reasonable to expect that eventually people will figure out a good way to recycle used EV batteries. Keep in mind, much of the reasoning behind the arguments you have outlined against EVs was likely being thrown out by many when cars were first invented. There are a lot of brilliant people in this world that have a way of finding unique solutions to problems. It just takes time.

And to your last point; in fairness, I've seen far more videos of Mustang drivers losing control than I have EVs. I'm sure you weren't insinuating that "sporty car" people all can handle the power of the cars they drive. The Dunning-Kruger effect is real in the world of sports cars after all. So, I would argue that we should probably give a wide berth to anyone that decides to push it on a public road, regardless of what they're driving.

It's a well-written post and I understand you are a big advocate of EVs. I'm surprised after reading that post that you own a Mustang rather than an EV. I'm not sure why. Obviously you prefer Mustangs or you wouldn't own one. Maybe you are just trying to be the devil's advocate and say things here you don't truly believe?

I'm not on a Mustang forum to argue about EVs. So, I'm not going to. I like Mustangs better (as long as I can get one for a reasonable price with a V8 engine and a manual transmission).

However, many of the same flaws I see in EVs I see in all new cars. That's why I own a 2017 rather than something newer. I think after 2017 there are major flaws in almost all ICE vehicles that have made me not purchase them. My 2021 Camaro was purchased with the thought that I can hopefully fix some of the flaws before the poorly designed engine destroys itself.

 

[Geodudes550]

The only thing keeping the roads from being flooded with EVs right now is high tariffs on the Chinese BD. The BD sells for $10,700 USD in China and $25k in South America. If BD’s were exported to the States in large numbers, there are plenty of people who would absolutely buy one if they were sub $25k. What else can you buy new for $25k? Mitsubishi Mirage and a base model Corolla are all I can think of.

 

[K4fxd]

Honestly, the testing and research being done right now to eliminate those limitations is awesome.

Still can't get past the time to charge. So what if the battery can be charged in 5 min, where are you going to find chargers capable to supply that amount of current?

Maybe the one posted with 25 diesel generators....

 

[Bobn57]

this is the only ev i would consider......

 

[AZ_Ryan]

It's a well-written post and I understand you are a big advocate of EVs. I'm surprised after reading that post that you own a Mustang rather than an EV. I'm not sure why. Obviously you prefer Mustangs or you wouldn't own one. Maybe you are just trying to be the devil's advocate and say things here you don't truly believe?

Haha. Because making some logical points about EVs means you can't like Mustangs?

 

[XFactor7889]

I guess counterpoint is you can repair an engine without having to fully replace it (most of the time) whereas you have no such option with a battery. While some engine repairs can get pricey, it would not be as much as a new battery. And you can repair them numerous times.

At least around here, there’s no shortage of 20-30-40 year old cars still out and about. Some sound like absolute hell and that they’re about to let go at any point, but they’re still out there. To my knowledge, that’s not happening with the first gen of modern EV’s. If/when the battery craps out, to the scrap heap they go. It’s an absolute waste IMO.

Improvements in battery technology, longevity, costs, etc. will no doubt happen but as you said it takes time. So, this push by the government/automakers needs to slow down (or stop altogether and let the market decide) and let the technology catch up. I think more people would be open to the idea of EV if it wasn’t being crammed down our throats with a bunch of doom and gloom.

Kinda off topic but I think it would be kind of funny if someone went to a junkyard and bought an old Tesla or Fiskar whose battery crapped out and did a coyote or LS swap.

Your counterpoint is fair, but it largely depends on how many of those repairs would be defined as maintenance for say, a 5-6 year-old car. By and large, none of that is necessary for EVs. But that aside, the counter to your point would be that, theoretically, EV owners could be building their savings over those years while the ICE owners repair parts of their engine over time. So, when it comes time to swap the battery, they will be well-prepared (we're ignoring for a second that the majority of Americans don't prepare this way, of course, but that is independent of the type of vehicle they own). There is also the fact that EV batteries are typically made up of multiple modules. If only a few of those modules are faulty, the only swaps necessary are those, not the entire battery. In theory, of course, I would imagine they would all be expected to age and deplete evenly, leading to the need to swap them all at once. Another thing to consider, look at cell phones today. A lot of consumers swap them out every few years. But, a lot of phone companies have taken the old phones, refurbished them, swapped out depleted batteries with new ones, then sell them to others who are comfortable with an older phone that is essentially like-new now. Maybe that could be the future for EVs as well.

I understand there are older vehicles out there still, but the average age of vehicles on the road is less than 13 years. And that average increased largely as a result of the supply chain issues that created new-vehicle shortages over the last few years. There are at least some analysts that are anticipating that to come back down now that new cars are back on dealer lots (assuming the rise in prices these last few years doesn't deter too many buyers, of course). That is simply to point out that the 20-30-40 year-old cars out on the road are generally the exception, not the rule. The majority of cars that old are likely finding themselves in the same place as the dead EVs, realistically.

I think the challenge regarding where the technology stands today and where auto manufacturers are is that there is indeed a market for it right now. We've seen that, right? Two Teslas in the top 10 in new vehicle sales in the US seems to establish that well. And auto manufacturers are going to market the heck out of their new technologies if they think there is a chance to produce new growth. That's the case with everything, not just EVs.

What I suspect bothers most within this forum is that this isn't a niche in the car market that many here care for (potential throat-cramming aside). But, I would say it's no different than the Corollas and Civics out there; the difference is most Corolla and Civic drivers don't leave sports-car enthusiasts feeling threatened at all. I can't say I've seen anyone start a thread complaining about the dumb Corolla drivers revving their engines and getting the whole shot on them at a red light recently.

 

[XFactor7889]

Still can't get past the time to charge. So what if the battery can be charged in 5 min, where are you going to find chargers capable to supply that amount of current?

Maybe the one posted with 25 diesel generators....

Alright, I was ignoring the diesel generators posts previously. But, I'd suggest you do a little more digging into this. That was complete misinformation.

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