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You might want to come up with an alternate, in case the bloated CUV rumors are true.

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Already lots of spy shots of it, its a 4 door lift-back based on the Civic Hatch with the Si engine and a 6spd manual for base model. Type-S specs are still unknown.
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It's an interesting price point.

If you need all the non-long block components, you'd be hard pressed to buy all of them (new) to accompany your own long block.

I wonder if it comes with management.

Not sure I'd want a bunch of the components that come on/with it, unless it was for the purposes of maintaining a warranty.

It makes the motor a bit of a tweener. Guys who are wanting to build a custom wild street/strip car will want to go differently for a lot of the components. Guys who are simply wanting 760 hp can probably go cheaper as well. And I doubt you get a warranty on this unless it's installed by a Ford affiliate.

It's generally priced for the Boyd Coddington/Chip Foose type customers who don't want the brain damage of putting together a very custom power plant but want something formidable and have a bunch of money to throw at it.
It's 100% de-risked 760 HP that will probably last for ever thanks to bespoke Ford components, likely from the race bin engineered to withstand double that power.

With the avial management and wiring harness I think it's a great deal. I would probably get a package for an SUV before buying a new one haha.

When you factor in the value of time, it looks very cheap VS building a motor with bunch of 3rd party parts with unknown lifespan. Obviously a professional race engine builder could do it for at least $25K.
 

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Already lots of spy shots of it, its a 4 door lift-back based on the Civic Hatch with the Si engine and a 6spd manual for base model. Type-S specs are still unknown.
IMO civic Si is biggest bang for buck besides A package base Ecoboost mustang, and exceeds mustang on almost all levels.
 

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IMO civic Si is biggest bang for buck besides A package base Ecoboost mustang, and exceeds mustang on almost all levels.
Personally I'd prefer if it had about 20-30more HP, but thats why I'm holding out to see the Type-S specs. Rumors are it may get a version of the Type R engine.

I'm more and more coming to the conclusion that in my area traffic is just to much to have fun with a high reving V8, and even the twisty roads are just to crowded. At this point the best thing about the car is that it "sounds fun". It's making more and more sense to just have a more comfortable, better MPG car that I can occasionally have fun on a narrow, twisty back road with when I actually manage to find an empty one. I'd get a Miata or GT86 if I could fit comfortably in one.

I was also tempted to trade for a 2.3 Hi-Po with handling Pkg I found near me, but leaning more to a 4 door lately. If they made a modern Fusion Sport with the 3.0T or a revised 2.7T and AWD i'd probably move into that just to stay with Ford.
 

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It's 100% de-risked 760 HP that will probably last for ever thanks to bespoke Ford components, likely from the race bin engineered to withstand double that power.

With the avial management and wiring harness I think it's a great deal. I would probably get a package for an SUV before buying a new one haha.

When you factor in the value of time, it looks very cheap VS building a motor with bunch of 3rd party parts with unknown lifespan. Obviously a professional race engine builder could do it for at least $25K.
First, nothing is 100% derisked. Not even if you get it installed by Ford and have a limited warranty on it. See oil consumption, ticks, OPG failures, paint bubbling, evaporator core failures, MT-82 lawsuits, for reference. Just because Ford/FRPP makes it doesn't mean it's any better quality than a reputable speed shop/engine builder, etc.

Second, my point is that you can make 760 hp reliable for much cheaper. If you're wanting MORE than that, there are better/more customized options.

At this price point, it's a bit of a tweener. It's not compelling enough for guys on the low budget end to say "hey, I'll just splurge a little and get the crate engine" and it's not extreme or capable enough for the high end/hard core guys.

The warranty is usually the selling point for all things crafted by Ford or Roush and if someone isn't going to get that, it's a very unique purchase (at the advertised price point).

It'll probably go in kit cars and resto projects for guys dropping serious cash (but not looking to full out hoon or win races). That's a very niche market.

The motor is by most accounts, a very reliable, MILD build. And that's a pretty hefty price tag for mild/reliable. Too much for budget guys and not optimal enough for the hardcore guys.
 

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Personally I'd prefer if it had about 20-30more HP, but thats why I'm holding out to see the Type-S specs. Rumors are it may get a version of the Type R engine.

I'm more and more coming to the conclusion that in my area traffic is just to much to have fun with a high reving V8, and even the twisty roads are just to crowded. At this point the best thing about the car is that it "sounds fun". It's making more and more sense to just have a more comfortable, better MPG car that I can occasionally have fun on a narrow, twisty back road with when I actually manage to find an empty one. I'd get a Miata or GT86 if I could fit comfortably in one.

I was also tempted to trade for a 2.3 Hi-Po with handling Pkg I found near me, but leaning more to a 4 door lately. If they made a modern Fusion Sport with the 3.0T or a revised 2.7T and AWD i'd probably move into that just to stay with Ford.
The funnest cars I've had were small engine light weight, skinny tires. BMW Bavaria 3.0, Fiat 128, Nissan 200 SX, Karman Ghia, Corrina with Capri 2.8, and most fun - a Manx buggy with 1,600 dual port with 85 HP in 1,200 lb.

Fiat 500s are a blast and if Ford doesn't deliver my vert I'll probably get one. Can easily cover 700 miles in a day in total comfort or tear around town with joy. Low milage ones are cheap and core car is reliable.

Today's civics exceed 2000 S class in everyway and are probably similar size too haha. Get the active suspension I heard it's amazing.
 

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First, nothing is 100% derisked. Not even if you get it installed by Ford and have a limited warranty on it. See oil consumption, ticks, OPG failures, paint bubbling, evaporator core failures, MT-82 lawsuits, for reference. Just because Ford/FRPP makes it doesn't mean it's any better quality than a reputable speed shop/engine builder, etc.

Second, my point is that you can make 760 hp reliable for much cheaper. If you're wanting MORE than that, there are better/more customized options.

At this price point, it's a bit of a tweener. It's not compelling enough for guys on the low budget end to say "hey, I'll just splurge a little and get the crate engine" and it's not extreme or capable enough for the high end/hard core guys.

The warranty is usually the selling point for all things crafted by Ford or Roush and if someone isn't going to get that, it's a very unique purchase (at the advertised price point).

It'll probably go in kit cars and resto projects for guys dropping serious cash (but not looking to full out hoon or win races). That's a very niche market.

The motor is by most accounts, a very reliable, MILD build. And that's a pretty hefty price tag for mild/reliable. Too much for budget guys and not optimal enough for the hardcore guys.
Yeah but at least I have a multi BN corp to sue and a gazillion contingency class action lawyers chomping at the bit.

You nailed it with kit and project cars IMO restomods will be huge.
 

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The funnest cars I've had were small engine light weight, skinny tires. BMW Bavaria 3.0, Fiat 128, Nissan 200 SX, Karman Ghia, Corrina with Capri 2.8, and most fun - a Manx buggy with 1,600 dual port with 85 HP in 1,200 lb.

Fiat 500s are a blast and if Ford doesn't deliver my vert I'll probably get one. Can easily cover 700 miles in a day in total comfort or tear around town with joy. Low milage ones are cheap and core car is reliable.

Today's civics exceed 2000 S class in everyway and are probably similar size too haha. Get the active suspension I heard it's amazing.
I first tried to find a 240SX or RS 2.5 for a project car, mostly restore to near new, + mild mods, but it's impossible. All are HEAVILY modded, just a shell, or way rusted out.
 

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I first tried to find a 240SX or RS 2.5 for a project car, mostly restore to near new, + mild mods, but it's impossible. All are HEAVILY modded, just a shell, or way rusted out.
I see some good restomods pop up once in a while on bringatrailer and classifieds, but that are all in $30K range otherwise need to set up some alerts on craigslist etc for 1970-1990 4 cyl manual.

Midas well just get an old pre '88 911 lots of parts and easy to work on, and appreciate constantly.
 

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Ford PErformance put this engine setup with a tremec manual trans in a Ford Bronco resto mod for Jay Leno.
 

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Ford PErformance put this engine setup with a tremec manual trans in a Ford Bronco resto mod for Jay Leno.
Easilly the dumbest application for this engine possible....
 
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There are some serious crate engines out there from the big 3: Ford's Predator, Aluminator 52XS, Ford 572 big block, GM's LT4/LT5 (although the LT5 has been discontinued), ZZ572; Mopar's Hellcat/Redeye/Hellephant (also no longer available but whatever), and of course the new king of crate engines: The GM ZZ632:
ZZ632 Crate Engine | Chevy Performance Parts (chevrolet.com)
 

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There are some serious crate engines out there from the big 3: Ford's Predator, Aluminator 52XS, Ford 572 big block, GM's LT4/LT5 (although the LT5 has been discontinued), ZZ572; Mopar's Hellcat/Redeye/Hellephant (also no longer available but whatever), and of course the new king of crate engines: The GM ZZ632:
ZZ632 Crate Engine | Chevy Performance Parts (chevrolet.com)
I wouldn't even consider the Helephant motor. Given the price tag I saw, it's probably the lowest value motor I've ever seen.

A giant, 426 cube bloated blown motor with 50 year old technology that puts out 1000 hp on race gas.

Welcome to 1990.

I'm pretty sure it's iron block as well, so the thing probably weighs a metric ass ton.

At well over $30k+ (when you add in the control module and all that's needed) it's simply marketed to people with more money than sense.

In the meantime, Mercury is producing naturally aspirated LTX motors capable of 700+ hp naturally aspirated. Those motors take up 40% less space, weigh half as much and produce 3/4 of the output (and cost less).

Dodge is laughing all the way to the bank. They market to guys who have tiny penises that just see a giant number and don't question what it took to reach it.
 

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I wouldn't even consider the Helephant motor. Given the price tag I saw, it's probably the lowest value motor I've ever seen.

A giant, 426 cube bloated blown motor with 50 year old technology that puts out 1000 hp on race gas.

Welcome to 1990.

I'm pretty sure it's iron block as well, so the thing probably weighs a metric ass ton.

At well over $30k+ (when you add in the control module and all that's needed) it's simply marketed to people with more money than sense.

In the meantime, Mercury is producing naturally aspirated LTX motors capable of 700+ hp naturally aspirated. Those motors take up 40% less space, weigh half as much and produce 3/4 of the output (and cost less).

Dodge is laughing all the way to the bank. They market to guys who have tiny penises that just see a giant number and don't question what it took to reach it.
A quick google search would tell you that the hellephant is an aluminum block engine, 30 grand is a ton of money but for 1000 hp and 950 pound ft of torque it’s not out of line with other offerings from OEMs. Of course it’s overpriced but it’s a great option for a clean build that’s not just like everything else. Same with the hellcrate and ford crate engines. In short cheapest isn’t always the way to go.
 
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