Flores beef with procharger

[midnight__gt]

My buddy had issues with his Lund tune on his ESS Gen 2 car, switched to Wengerd and has 0 issues now. Alex Flores was the original tuner.

I wonder if all the guys having issues were 10 speeds as I'm stick shift and have no issues

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[diambo4life]

Cleetus snapped the crank on a turbo F150 didn't he?

Nah, that's when it was a blower. I think he did it twice. I could be wrong.

 

[diambo4life]

Does anyone really think the fastest cars are because of the tuner and not because of the builder and setup of the car?

Definitely a combo of both. But you're right, a great tuner can't make a car with a shitty combo fast.

 

[robvas]

If the setup is the same (mods, race weight, transmission, and gearing) then yes the tuner can make a difference.

Really doubt it. If you gave 5 (good) tuners the same car they're going to all go within about 1% of each other. You're going to end up with basically the same thing unless one tuner wants to risk another half a degree of timing or something. The days of switching tunes and gaining 50hp are long gone unless someone really fucks up.

You're really only going to see a difference if it's something that tuner specializes in like a 7/8-second 6R80 drag car like Lund does.

"The record" comes from the (owner/builder who knows what they are doing) fine-tuning and dialing the car and tune into the tiniest detail which you're not getting for the basic $800 tooner package on the website.

 

[Pws6]

I wonder if all the guys having issues were 10 speeds as I'm stick shift and have no issues

Probably 6 speeds with IMRC locked out where there is no real tuning required with the most cookie cutter set ups

 

[Mach 307]

I wonder if all the guys having issues were 10 speeds as I'm stick shift and have no issues

My buddies car is a stick shift, as it’s a 2017, so no 10 speed was available either at the time. Overall though it seems that is the trend.

 

[HKusp]

Really doubt it. If you gave 5 (good) tuners the same car they're going to all go within about 1% of each other. You're going to end up with basically the same thing unless one tuner wants to risk another half a degree of timing or something. The days of switching tunes and gaining 50hp are long gone unless someone really fucks up.

You're really only going to see a difference if it's something that tuner specializes in like a 7/8-second 6R80 drag car like Lund does

Rob, you know I like you so don't take this the wrong way, but there is a WHOLE lot more to tuning these cars than playing with timing. This PCM is so capable of changing so many parameters. There are many many variables that effect drive-ability and performance that I promise you, if you have 5 different cars and 5 different guys tuning the same combo and you drove all 5 cars, I bet you could tell three of them would be very different in drive-ability. Now if all 5 of them are Lund based tuners they COULD all end up with the same tune they've been putting out for years, but if they all have been doing their thing for a decent amount of time, separate from Lund's influence and base tune, there will be a difference. A lund tuned car will be different than a juggernaut tuned car, different from a Shoemaker tuned car, different from a wengerd tuned car, and last but certainly not least, an engineermike tuned car will feel and perform different from the others.

 

[robvas]

Rob, you know I like you so don't take this the wrong way, but there is a WHOLE lot more to tuning these cars than playing with timing. This PCM is so capable of changing so many parameters. There are many many variables that effect drive-ability and performance that I promise you, if you have 5 different cars and 5 different guys tuning the same combo and you drove all 5 cars, I bet you could tell three of them would be very different in drive-ability. Now if all 5 of them are Lund based tuners they COULD all end up with the same tune they've been putting out for years, but if they all have been doing their thing for a decent amount of time, separate from Lund's influence and base tune, there will be a difference. A lund tuned car will be different than a juggernaut tuned car, different from a Shoemaker tuned car, different from a wengerd tuned car, and last but certainly not least, an engineermike tuned car will feel and perform different from the others.

I know that.

But we're talking about max performance 1/4 mile run

Because people will say things like 'xxxx tuner has the record'

And I'm saying the tuner doesn't have that much to do with 'the record'

But driveability etc as you said can be different. And having 'the record' doesn't gaurantee you have great driveability etc. Two different things.

 

[SpeedLu]

I'm Lund tuned and have no idea who that is.

 

[HKusp]

I know that.

But we're talking about max performance 1/4 mile run

Because people will say things like 'xxxx tuner has the record'

And I'm saying the tuner doesn't have that much to do with 'the record'

But driveability etc as you said can be different. And having 'the record' doesn't gaurantee you have great driveability etc. Two different things.

I agree with you on max performance 1/4 mile times would be very close.

 

[Zrussian13]

Curious for the people like this who say no issues, have you ever had a tune from another company on this car to feel the difference?

I have and it sucked honestly. I started with lund 7 years ago on a na e85 tune. Then retuned with turbos and then for additional tuning. Tried to switch a year ago to another big name tuner because lund wouldn't tune the set up I wanted to run and the other tuner never got my car running half as good as it did with lund, even on the base pump gas tune. Lund had it set with almost no revisions and I spent months of back and forth with the other guy even doing Saturday sessions to focus and my tune alone. No luck.

 

[fiveoboy01]

Does anyone really think the fastest cars are because of the tuner and not because of the builder and setup of the car?

The tune most definitely has something to do with the power level of a modern powertrain.

 

[fiveoboy01]

Really doubt it. If you gave 5 (good) tuners the same car they're going to all go within about 1% of each other. You're going to end up with basically the same thing unless one tuner wants to risk another half a degree of timing or something. The days of switching tunes and gaining 50hp are long gone unless someone really fucks up.

You're really only going to see a difference if it's something that tuner specializes in like a 7/8-second 6R80 drag car like Lund does.

"The record" comes from the (owner/builder who knows what they are doing) fine-tuning and dialing the car and tune into the tiniest detail which you're not getting for the basic $800 tooner package on the website.

If what you said was true then we wouldn't hear stories about joe blow's cars running like crap.

I personally know 2 people who had basic modifications where one tuner was well more than 1% shy of the other on the dyno, and the car ran poorly(which was his bigger complaint). The name of the tuners is irrelvant, but both are very well known.

It's not just about power, it's about driveability and reliability.

 

[Mach1Racer]

Giving honor to Beefcake (as I am a happy customer and study his posts) and other notable forum supporters.

I can not speak for anyone but myself. I have had two Mach 1’s of which Lund tuned. One at 700rwhp and now 900rwhp. These are not the only cars I’ve had not the most powerful I’ve built.

Alex tuned both of my Mach 1’s and I’m am beyond happy. The response time is has been amazing. The tune has been reliable with cold starts on E-85 are not labored or difficult.

I have received specific suggestions during the process of upgrading my current Mach 1 without extra cost. The car works as intended.

Now, is Alex everyone’s cup of tea? No, and he is a polarizing fixture at Lund racing due to is personal views on his YouTube. However, I can’t sit here and watch a whole bashing session without stating that there are many happy customers with Lund that I compete against on the weekends and on here. Lund has well respected cars with records and they do more than just send a tune on these top cars.

Is Lund or Alex infallible? No! They are no more perfect than you or me. The owner is a US Veteran who ran helicopters into the shit. As a veteran, I will give another Vet a chance before anyone if they got the goods.

If they do a bad job and don’t resolve it, they deserve to be hit on the forum with the facts presented clearly with receipts and screenshots. Not this I got a friend…

I remember a post about Wengerd and he came in, talked to the guy, hit him on the back channel and everything was resolved. On that alone, I would recommend his company.

It is clear this forum or more correctly, specific people on the forum are against Lund and more so Alex. Maybe some people benefit from doing so or maybe it personal…

I just hope it doesn’t make us fellow Mustang, Mach 1, or GT500 owners enemies. Could you imagine grown men fighting over Alex or [insert your favorite tuner]?

I just want to know is your Mustang faster than mine and if so, what can I learn from you to meet my own goals.

 

[SnowFox]

I wonder if all the guys having issues were 10 speeds as I'm stick shift and have no issues

I'm sure like most tuners or companies they probably have more satisfied customers then un satisfied. But it's sorta like reviews on on Google or Amazon. Like do I want to eat at the Taco place that got rated 3 Stars, or 5 stars. Both technically have more happy than un happy customers. But why risk the diarrhea or botulism if you don't have too

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