FL 2087 update (interesting information)

[Zeus]

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A sincere thank you for this post. I was able to place an order for one of these on 2/12 and it arrived last Friday, 2/18. I was skeptical, but I was lucky enough to get one.

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[nmp1]

A sincere thank you for this post. I was able to place an order for one of these on 2/12 and it arrived last Friday, 2/18. I was skeptical, but I was lucky enough to get one.

good, I have it saved in my searches as I know everyone is looking for them.

 

[GTthree50]

My point was, if you're going to void the warranty, then at least go with something that's going to resolve or eliminate Ford's choice in the first place.

Going with a filter that's a modeled after the 2062 both voids the warranty and still retains the issue of frame failure.

If you're gonna go away from the 2087, then a remote with a quality/proven canister is probably win win. Not just in terms of eliminating all this bullshit, but making oil changes easier.

Can you provide proof that Ford can violate the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and deny a warranty claim?

 

[Angrey]

Can you provide proof that Ford can violate the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and deny a warranty claim?

Not my rodeo on that issue. I'm past my warranty. Others who've indicated that it's an issue can respond. It seems to be highly speculative (whether Ford can deny a warranty claim) but what's NOT speculative is the idea that at least some Ford dealerships have indicated that they will try and it WILL be an issue.

So even if you would win in the end, is it something that's worth exposing yourself to?

Hence the previous discussion about keeping at least one FL2087 on hand (even a used one) so that if the motor is smoked for some unrelated reason, you can swap the filter so that you just avoid the entire discussion (if you're confident you're on the right side of the ethics and certain the filter has nothing to do with the warranty claim).

 

[Tomster]

Not my rodeo on that issue. I'm past my warranty. Others who've indicated that it's an issue can respond. It seems to be highly speculative (whether Ford can deny a warranty claim) but what's NOT speculative is the idea that at least some Ford dealerships have indicated that they will try and it WILL be an issue.

So even if you would win in the end, is it something that's worth exposing yourself to?

Hence the previous discussion about keeping at least one FL2087 on hand (even a used one) so that if the motor is smoked for some unrelated reason, you can swap the filter so that you just avoid the entire discussion (if you're confident you're on the right side of the ethics and certain the filter has nothing to do with the warranty claim).

I've got about 3 used 2087s if anyone needs them

 

[svttim]

Not my rodeo on that issue. I'm past my warranty. Others who've indicated that it's an issue can respond. It seems to be highly speculative (whether Ford can deny a warranty claim) but what's NOT speculative is the idea that at least some Ford dealerships have indicated that they will try and it WILL be an issue.

So even if you would win in the end, is it something that's worth exposing yourself to?

Hence the previous discussion about keeping at least one FL2087 on hand (even a used one) so that if the motor is smoked for some unrelated reason, you can swap the filter so that you just avoid the entire discussion (if you're confident you're on the right side of the ethics and certain the filter has nothing to do with the warranty claim).

Legally they cannot void the warranty, period. Yes, they can make life hell. Simple answer, talk to the dealer and if they say they will void the warranty, dont use them.

 

[Angrey]

Legally they cannot void the warranty, period. Yes, they can make life hell. Simple answer, talk to the dealer and if they say they will void the warranty, dont use them.

If I had a dollar for everything in America that's done or exists that's illegal, I'd be a very wealthy man. What's in accordance with law and what's reality are 2 different things.

The better question is whether it's just easier to comply than it is if you end up with a warranty claim and now you're embroiled in a costly and lengthy legal fight (and your car is sitting, unrepaired).

I'm a do what's right principled guy as much as the next person but I'm also a realist. It's better to not have a fight at all than it is to have a fight where you believe you're on the stronger side of the law.

 

[Tomster]

Legally they cannot void the warranty, period. Yes, they can make life hell. Simple answer, talk to the dealer and if they say they will void the warranty, dont use them.

Well yes and no. The problem is that the manual is very specific to use the FL2087 and even warns that engine damage could result if not used.

Now with that said, if the engine let go for another reason that had nothing to do with the filter, then there shouldn't be a problem. I was told by my dealer that the knee-jerk reaction would be to void the warranty. All Ford has to do is do exactly that and then you have to prove otherwise.

I recall there was a member on here who put a tune on his 350. I think it was ninjak. It is pretty much am automatic that the tune voided his warranty and Ford did exactly that. Somehow he convinced Ford to tear the engine down on his dime to prove that the tune wasn't the cause. They tore it down, found the tune didn't do it, and he didn't have to pay for the teardown. He got a new engine.

My point is Ford very likely will void the warranty if they find a non OEM filter just as the owners manual specifies. The burden will then fall on the owner to prove otherwise.

Isn't it just easier to use a 2087? They can be had, but people refuse to pay over to buy one. Most people get a year out of a filter unless they are doing tracking.

 

[svttim]

Well yes and no. The problem is that the manual is very specific to use the FL2087 and even warns that engine damage could result if not used.

Now with that said, if the engine let go for another reason that had nothing to do with the filter, then there shouldn't be a problem. I was told by my dealer that the knee-jerk reaction would be to void the warranty. All Ford has to do is do exactly that and then you have to prove otherwise.

I recall there was a member on here who put a tune on his 350. I think it was ninjak. It is pretty much am automatic that the tune voided his warranty and Ford did exactly that. Somehow he convinced Ford to tear the engine down on his dime to prove that the tune wasn't the cause. They tore it down, found the tune didn't do it, and he didn't have to pay for the teardown. He got a new engine.

My point is Ford very likely will void the warranty if they find a non OEM filter just as the owners manual specifies. The burden will then fall on the owner to prove otherwise.

Isn't it just easier to use a 2087? They can be had, but people refuse to pay over to buy one. Most people get a year out of a filter unless they are doing tracking.

Again, the key is the dealer. If he denies the warranty it is an uphill battle. Had a gentleman whose dealer voided the warranty because he tracked the car. It took several months to get to the right people to get that overturned. A dealer can do a lot of damage

 

[Tomster]

Again, the key is the dealer. If he denies the warranty it is an uphill battle. Had a gentleman whose dealer voided the warranty because he tracked the car. It took several months to get to the right people to get that overturned. A dealer can do a lot of damage

I Believe the tech at the dealer has the lead. But I also believe a call would go into Ford and the filter probably would be the first thing they would check.

 

[svttim]

I Believe the tech at the dealer has the lead. But I also believe a call would go into Ford and the filter probably would be the first thing they would check.

If there is a filter failure you have recourse against the filter manufacturer. Again, not an easy battle. No indications of filter failures in the aftermarket so......

 

[Angrey]

If there is a filter failure you have recourse against the filter manufacturer. Again, not an easy battle. No indications of filter failures in the aftermarket so......

The more likely scenario is that the motor takes a shit and the dealer tears down your motor and discovers you're using a non-approved filter and initially denies the claim. Now it's on you to prove the filter is not proximate to the claim. In the mean time, your car isn't being repaired. After several frustrating months, you eventually win. You then look back on the entire affair and wonder whether it wasn't simpler to just use the damned FL2087 and have it NOT be an issue.

 

[svttim]

The more likely scenario is that the motor takes a shit and the dealer tears down your motor and discovers you're using a non-approved filter and initially denies the claim. Now it's on you to prove the filter is not proximate to the claim. In the mean time, your car isn't being repaired. After several frustrating months, you eventually win. You then look back on the entire affair and wonder whether it wasn't simpler to just use the damned FL2087 and have it NOT be an issue.

Believe me when they are readily available, I always would choose the FL2087.

 

[Tomster]

Believe me when they are readily available, I always would choose the FL2087.

Do you need one, and if so, Would you like one?

 

[nmp1]

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