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DanielLD
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Without coming off as a jerk. I would rather see you go 500 miles, change oil and then again at 2,500. and get a solid oil analysis done, rather than needlessly wasting oil and $$ and now you're blind. good oil analysis, not Blackstone, will tell you if you're engine has properly seated. That is more critical. Because with a modern engine, if you're going 100 miles and you need to change the oil, you're driving a big POS lol. And this is not a big POS.
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I never said you're wasting oil........
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. You can liter the planet doesn't mean you should.
I wouldn't get into environmental sciences as that is not my expertise, what I do know is the burning of fossil fuels is certainly not good if avoidable.
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View attachment blacked out analysis for public.pdf
maybe that will suffice for evidence of what I do. Also to be noted, I didn't do PC or PQ on this sample, didn't need to since I ran the AF, but useful during "break in" periods.
maybe that will suffice for evidence of what I do. Also to be noted, I didn't do PC or PQ on this sample, didn't need to since I ran the AF, but useful during "break in" periods.
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I've been watching this thread for a while. I am not an oil analyst but I am a master certified auto tech with over 30 years of experience and at least 20 of those was spent building race engines for 1/4 mile cars and motorcycles.
I can say this. Machining and manufacturing technology have come a long way over 30 years. The junk I used to see 30 years ago from the factory was machined like crap and during break in would leave lots of metals in the oil. Today that just isn't so. I mean you're always going to have some metals. Rings, etc. but it isn't like days of old when the machining was crude.
The other thing to consider is that motor oils are so far superior to what they used to be. Modern motor oils (Synthetics) are amazing and unless you're tracking your car it is a waste to change oil more frequently than the manufacturer recommends. The poster above is correct, in that there is no value in changing oil sooner than recommended. Oil is supposed to turn black. The black is from carbon that mostly comes from exhaust gases. Even if some modern day cars don't have EGR systems the manufacturer is able to do away with an EGR system by running lots of valve overlap. Either way the oil turns black due to exhaust gases being sent back into the combustion chambers. That doesn't mean the oil has lost its lubricating and protection properties. It's just doing its job. And oil filters are designed to trap metals you don't want swimming around in your oil. The bottom line is that if the debris made it through the oil filter then it won't harm your engine. If you find lots of bad metal in your filter then the damage is already done and it wasn't because you didn't change your oil soon enough. f you want to make your engine last a very long time, install a pre-oiling system and before you start your engine let the pre-oiling system operate for 30 seconds.
The worst thing you can do for your engine is dry start it. And every time you change your oil and filter you are priming the oil system all over again and this causes more harm to your engine than any 2,000 - 5,000 miles old engine oil ever could.
Would I and do I change the oil sooner on the first interval? Absolutely. Would I change it at 100 miles? no way. it's a waste. However opinions are like belly buttons and everyone has one. :-) I would probably wait on the first change to 2,500-3,000 miles. Anything sooner and you're just wasting your cash.
Keep in mind synthetic oil is not truly synthetic. It's not man made. It's just ultra refined version of conventional motor oil. Both synthetic and conventional oil come from crude oil. Synthetic oil is just refined to the point where all of the larger oil molecules have been removed. The large molecules are the ones that burn and cause sludge. Think of this. If conventional oil molecules are to pebbles then synthetic oil molecules are to grains of sand. A synthetic oil has a much greater amount of molecules due to their small size so it has a much better lubricating properties.
http://www.mobil1.co.in/academy/what.aspx
I can say this. Machining and manufacturing technology have come a long way over 30 years. The junk I used to see 30 years ago from the factory was machined like crap and during break in would leave lots of metals in the oil. Today that just isn't so. I mean you're always going to have some metals. Rings, etc. but it isn't like days of old when the machining was crude.
The other thing to consider is that motor oils are so far superior to what they used to be. Modern motor oils (Synthetics) are amazing and unless you're tracking your car it is a waste to change oil more frequently than the manufacturer recommends. The poster above is correct, in that there is no value in changing oil sooner than recommended. Oil is supposed to turn black. The black is from carbon that mostly comes from exhaust gases. Even if some modern day cars don't have EGR systems the manufacturer is able to do away with an EGR system by running lots of valve overlap. Either way the oil turns black due to exhaust gases being sent back into the combustion chambers. That doesn't mean the oil has lost its lubricating and protection properties. It's just doing its job. And oil filters are designed to trap metals you don't want swimming around in your oil. The bottom line is that if the debris made it through the oil filter then it won't harm your engine. If you find lots of bad metal in your filter then the damage is already done and it wasn't because you didn't change your oil soon enough. f you want to make your engine last a very long time, install a pre-oiling system and before you start your engine let the pre-oiling system operate for 30 seconds.
The worst thing you can do for your engine is dry start it. And every time you change your oil and filter you are priming the oil system all over again and this causes more harm to your engine than any 2,000 - 5,000 miles old engine oil ever could.
Would I and do I change the oil sooner on the first interval? Absolutely. Would I change it at 100 miles? no way. it's a waste. However opinions are like belly buttons and everyone has one. :-) I would probably wait on the first change to 2,500-3,000 miles. Anything sooner and you're just wasting your cash.
Keep in mind synthetic oil is not truly synthetic. It's not man made. It's just ultra refined version of conventional motor oil. Both synthetic and conventional oil come from crude oil. Synthetic oil is just refined to the point where all of the larger oil molecules have been removed. The large molecules are the ones that burn and cause sludge. Think of this. If conventional oil molecules are to pebbles then synthetic oil molecules are to grains of sand. A synthetic oil has a much greater amount of molecules due to their small size so it has a much better lubricating properties.
http://www.mobil1.co.in/academy/what.aspx
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Appreciate experts giving their opinion and they may be perfectly right but it is easy to get carried away by opinions and it may be better to stick to the manual for the average person. Regarding recommendations to use a non approved oil, I wouldn't from the standpoint of potential engine failure and the possibility of Ford finding out and not covering your warranty. While a superior oil should not in any way contribute to an engine failure and I'm not in any way implying that it would, why take a chance on losing your warranty and do you want to spend your time fighting that?
With regard to the recommendation for a air/oil separator ASAP, in any one who does not track their car I'll just relate my experience after listening to the various opinions on these threads. I did passenger side, changed oil first time at 1500 miles with somewhat spirited driving (it's so damn hard not to drop this car down a few gears every 5-10 minutes on the open road and let this beast run up from 4-8K+ even if there is no one to pass just for the hell of it!) and nothing in it. Furthermore, how necessary it is for this engine has been debated on another thread so read through it. Cheap insurance? maybe and I'll keep mine. Overkill? probably. BTW have not had to add any oil in first or now second 1500 miles, still between the hash marks.
With regard to the recommendation for a air/oil separator ASAP, in any one who does not track their car I'll just relate my experience after listening to the various opinions on these threads. I did passenger side, changed oil first time at 1500 miles with somewhat spirited driving (it's so damn hard not to drop this car down a few gears every 5-10 minutes on the open road and let this beast run up from 4-8K+ even if there is no one to pass just for the hell of it!) and nothing in it. Furthermore, how necessary it is for this engine has been debated on another thread so read through it. Cheap insurance? maybe and I'll keep mine. Overkill? probably. BTW have not had to add any oil in first or now second 1500 miles, still between the hash marks.
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You talking Bob the Oil Guy? :lol:
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Awesome post [MENTION=30356]GBGT350[/MENTION]
Thanks for the info and suggestion on a pre-oiling system. Seems like the most prudent peice of advice in the whole thread. I'll look into it more but would be interested if you had any further info or suggestions.
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Always good to see another 350 in NH!
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https://www.cpperformance.com/products/Oil/engine-pre-lube.htmAwesome post [MENTION=30356]GBGT350[/MENTION]
Thanks for the info and suggestion on a pre-oiling system. Seems like the most prudent peice of advice in the whole thread. I'll look into it more but would be interested if you had any further info or suggestions.
Edit:
Always good to see another 350 in NH!
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