First oil change

[DanielLD]

Hey guys, the oil gets pumped in the engine through the oil filter. Don't sweat changing too early as whatever gets through the filter, gets through.
Bigger particles from metal wear from break-in will get stuck in the filter. No way you will "block" the filter from initial metal wear, but there are other chemical reactions that occur and it's better to flush that oil sooner.
But remember, no matter if you have debris from wear, it will only get stuck in filter, not circulated through the engine. So just follow the in-dash recommendation for oil changes, unless you track the car alot. If you do, change it BEFORE the track day, not after.
Best thing to do at oil change is cut your filter and see how it looks inside.

Agreed, except for cutting the filter, so many things you can't see, there's little point in looking at the filter. The real killers are the 15-20 micron particles.

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[torque124]

Agreed, except for cutting the filter, so many things you can't see, there's little point in looking at the filter. The real killers are the 15-20 micron particles.

I knew my engine is in big trouble (BMW M5) when I saw this in the filter:

I say there is value in looking

 

[DanielLD]

I knew my engine is in big trouble (BMW M5) when I saw this in the filter:

I say there is value in looking

photo didn't show!! It's really more about what you can't see. I mean sure you can tell from the filter by physically looking at it, you may have an issue......but oil analysis should have detected that condition, well before it got to that point.

 

[A7X]

why? it's a waste of money and resources. No way you have enough wear in 100 miles of new engine to justify an oil change at 100, 500 and 1000. Excessive waste. Trust me you're wasting.

I get your point and it's valid.

I'm a bit OCD as well. I view it as cheap insurance. I do feel guilty at the waste of resources but the oil will be recycled.

I'm not saying I will change at 100, 500, 1000. But I will change it well before the first scheduled change and probably twice

I would like the car to last a long time:cheers:

 

[A7X]

yeah I only happen to test automotive engines and oil for a living.

Hey you have a valid point DanielLD.

It's all personal preference. The nice thing is that we get to see all kinds of opinions and that's a great thing

I appreciate your feedback in this thread:cheers:

 

[torque124]

photo didn't show!! It's really more about what you can't see. I mean sure you can tell from the filter by physically looking at it, you may have an issue......but oil analysis should have detected that condition, well before it got to that point.

I can see the photos.... can you not see them now? I mean you NEED TO CUT the filter to see inside the splines, not just by looking at it.
I somehow don't believe you "test automotive engines for a living" .

 

[Houston Kid]

I am not OCD. Mine has 1,800 hard miles on it so far. No track days but I drive it like I stole it all the time. No oil change yet. All I have done is add 1 quart of Ford oil at 1,000 miles because it was below the bottom hash mark. Was half way between bottom hash mark and top hash mark at 500 miles.

Checked it at 1,500 and 1,800, no oil level change. Still right at top hash mark. I guess I will change it around 2,500 miles since I now have my new filter and wrench. I have never changed the oil early on any new cars I have owned in the last 10 years and have had zero issues with a motor going south.
I believe that the engineers who spec the cars and design the engines know what they are talking about when they put out a publication detailing when you should change your oil. They have too much at stake to not tell you to do what will keep the engine running and running for a long time.

 

[montreal ponies]

Where's Bob when you need him ?

 

[Houston Kid]

Or I may just wait until the idiot light says change the oil.

 

[rb92gt]

Good God

Jesus people, change it, don't change it, do whatever you want. Not a big deal.

 

[GTthree50]

Jesus people, change it, don't change it, do whatever you want. Not a big deal.

I completely agree. Should have known this would get out of hand. Wasn't looking for validation or contradiction, merely sharing. This was quite possibly a mistake!

 

[Minn19]

I completely agree. Should have known this would get out of hand. Wasn't looking for validation or contradiction, merely sharing. This was quite possibly a mistake!

Oil threads always end up like discussions on politics or religion. Sometimes they are quite entertaining.

But, sometimes informative as well, I was on the fence about switching to Amsoil and now after reading some of the stuff in this thread I think I'll go with it.

 

[DanielLD]

I can see the photos.... can you not see them now? I mean you NEED TO CUT the filter to see inside the splines, not just by looking at it.
I somehow don't believe you "test automotive engines for a living" .

it won't let me click on the photo..........

somehow don't believe? believe or don't believe. but don't start spewing myths to others.

 

[DanielLD]

no it's really BS how you guys are coming on a forum, saying the things you're doing and then someone comes on board and says, woah guys, as a tribologist in the automotive world, y'all are basically wasting oil and not doing anything. Then everyone gets butt hurt because they needlessly wasted oil and think it's a matter of opinion. Do you honestly believe Ford Performance calls up and says, hey can you give me your opinion? NO, it's give me the data and does it need to be changed. There is no room for opinions and thoughts in this side of things.

Again, looking at the internals of a filter does little to nothing. By the time you can physically see anything, oil analysis would have picked up the issues a long time ago.

Unfortunately the waste affects everyone on this forum, while we may die before the side effects kick in, climate change due to waste is large.What we do today affects our children and their children's ability to do the things we love to do and then go on a forum to talk about.

I used to have a video of Terry Dyson validating what I'm saying, I'll try and find it for y'all.

 

[Houston Kid]

no it's really BS how you guys are coming on a forum, saying the things you're doing and then someone comes on board and says, woah guys, as a tribologist in the automotive world, y'all are basically wasting oil and not doing anything. Then everyone gets butt hurt because they needlessly wasted oil and think it's a matter of opinion. Do you honestly believe Ford Performance calls up and says, hey can you give me your opinion? NO, it's give me the data and does it need to be changed. There is no room for opinions and thoughts in this side of things.

Again, looking at the internals of a filter does little to nothing. But the time you can physically see anything, oil analysis would have picked up the issues a long time ago.

Unfortunately the waste affects everyone on this forum, while we may die before the side effects kick in, climate change due to waste is large.What we do today affects our children and their children's ability to do the things we love to do and then go on a forum to talk about.

I used to have a video of Terry Dyson validating what I'm saying, I'll try and find it for y'all.

I am an eco warrior and did not realize it. I am certainly not wasting any oil with holding out for my first change until the light comes on. Never fancied myself as such. Who knew?
Oh, wait a minute, I believe we all paid a gas guzzler tax for the right to burn as much gas a possible when we bought our Shelbys. So maybe I'm not a eco warrior or does balance out???? Give me a zero carbon foot print???

Disclaimer: I do believe in climate change but it is not caused by man. How else can you explain glaciers in the Midwest well before man burned fossil fuels?????

I don't know, natural cycles maybe???

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