Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger...

[Department Of Boost]

and make very efficient power at lower boost levels over other designs,

That is incorrect. That's not how PD blowers work.

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[Department Of Boost]

For city/street driving (not drag racing) I really like this package for two reasons:

1) Due to smaller S/C size, the parasitic loss will be lower than larger sized S/C which produce more HP. This makes it ideal to add enough HP to the car without causing other issues, like belt slipping.

2) I like their new air cooling system for PD system.

Air cooling system? Can you elaborate or link me?

Thanks

 

[Z_Rocks]

Air cooling system? Can you elaborate or link me?

Thanks

So far, this is all we have. But it sounds like they're doing "Air to air" cooling.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1010901&postcount=37

 

[Jeffy_2010]

Yes you can put a larger SC pulley on to slow the SC down, run less boost. You can also just use our new calibration and our virtual pulley technology to lower the power. Just slide the tab over on our software with the key on and you can lower the power from 0 to 250hp less. That's technology you can't get anywhere else.

Now that is some magic!! Are you still working on a system for us guys with no cats throwing a cel? And boost by gear would also be awesome

Sorry everyone for going off topic of the edelbrock with this post

 

[Department Of Boost]

So far, this is all we have. But it sounds like they're doing "Air to air" cooling.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1010901&postcount=37

That's still a air to water system.

And a bunch of marketing doublespeak. Effectively "Look, something shiny!" with zero practical advantage and the very real possibility of disadvantages.

 

[caustin69]

Yes you can put a larger SC pulley on to slow the SC down, run less boost. You can also just use our new calibration and our virtual pulley technology to lower the power. Just slide the tab over on our software with the key on and you can lower the power from 0 to 250hp less. That's technology you can't get anywhere else.

When will new cal be avail?

 

[Grim_Reaper]

When will new cal be avail?

:threadjacked::focus:

 

[Whipple SC]

When will new cal be avail?

Feb 1st

 

[Whipple SC]

Now that is some magic!! Are you still working on a system for us guys with no cats throwing a cel? And boost by gear would also be awesome

Sorry everyone for going off topic of the edelbrock with this post

There is really no such thing as boost by gear since there is no map sensor, its torque by gear which we call the "virtual pulley". Meaning the customer can adjust the torque curve as they see fit by gear or globally. In the end this will lower/raise boost but because there is no map sensor and the way the Ford PCM works, it's torque by gear.

 

[Whipple SC]

So far, this is all we have. But it sounds like they're doing "Air to air" cooling.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1010901&postcount=37

It's not air-to-air, that would be extremely difficult and noisy.

They are using one core 3-times. SC is upside down, the air blows through the air-to-water IC core going up, then splits into 2 directions (even bank, odd bank) and goes through the same core again. This, instead of having 2 or possibly 3 intercooler cores. It's a good way of adding extra cooling in a limited space. Because the SC had to be above the cylinder head/intake manifold surface on the S550, they were limited in height if they were going to keep the upside down design.

 

[Whipple SC]

For city/street driving (not drag racing) I really like this package for two reasons:

1) Due to smaller S/C size, the parasitic loss will be lower than larger sized S/C which produce more HP. This makes it ideal to add enough HP to the car without causing other issues, like belt slipping.

2) I like their new air cooling system for PD system.

#1, this is very incorrect. It's actually the opposite when you start spinning a supercharger past it's peak. In general, the bigger SC will take less power to flow the same amount of air. It will only require more energy to flow more air, as it takes more work to move more air.

Also, when it comes to belt slipping, the issue with the smaller superchargers as they require very large diameter crank pulleys and small diameter SC pulleys, resulting in high belt speeds and low contact surface, thus more belt slipping issues.

 

[Z_Rocks]

It's not air-to-air, that would be extremely difficult and noisy.

They are using one core 3-times. SC is upside down, the air blows through the air-to-water IC core going up, then splits into 2 directions (even bank, odd bank) and goes through the same core again. This, instead of having 2 or possibly 3 intercooler cores. It's a good way of adding extra cooling in a limited space. Because the SC had to be above the cylinder head/intake manifold surface on the S550, they were limited in height if they were going to keep the upside down design.

Thank you for the wealth of knowledge Dustin. No wonder you're the head of R&D. :hail:

 

[Z_Rocks]

#1, this is very incorrect. It's actually the opposite when you start spinning a supercharger past it's peak. In general, the bigger SC will take less power to flow the same amount of air. It will only require more energy to flow more air, as it takes more work to move more air.

Also, when it comes to belt slipping, the issue with the smaller superchargers as they require very large diameter crank pulleys and small diameter SC pulleys, resulting in high belt speeds and low contact surface, thus more belt slipping issues.

Another "Thanks" again for correcting me.

 

[Jeffy_2010]

It's still nice to see new options for FI, seems like 80% of guys are either running whipples or a procharger set up, I love the Whipple but am still super excited to see how this will perform with say a stage 2 or 3 setup

 

[Whipple SC]

Thank you for the wealth of knowledge Dustin. No wonder you're the head of R&D. :hail:

No worries, just want everyone to have the proper info and they can then make the choice that best suits there goals. I like what Edelbrock did, I think it far surpasses the Roush design. It's funny, Roush's last PR blast stated how much CAD and R&D work went into the new design (hmmm carry over from previous generation and still needs block grinding and K-brace demolishing), but a system like ours or this Edelbrock system has true engineering and ingenuity, I respect the amount of thought and work that went into this new system.

The calibration and emissions will be very tough, but I'm sure they will get it with some time and hard work.

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