E Force Supercharger

[Phoenix]

No, that's the problem. All of the Whipple Fanboys think I'm an idiot and can't respect the fact that there are different opinions out there. As far as my post today, all I did was read the freaking installation manuals. Have ANY of them put on an Edelbrock supercharger, didn't like it, then put on a Whipple and were pleased? I'd really like to know. If they haven't experienced it personally, then please don't comment. I want to keep an open mind and until I do install it, you won't hear from me anymore. I'm tired of the abuse.

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[ShelbyGT350]

There is a reason people like the product, it works very well.

I'm not bashing the Edelbrock, I have said countless times it's a nice kit and innovative. Does it compare to ours? No it does not. Can it make the same power? No it cannot. Can it compare in drive ability and reliability at similar power level, no it cannot. Does it have all the features included in ours, no it cannot.

These are facts, not myths. It doesn't take away from the kit, its a nice system. But HP vs dollor, added feature vs dollar, upgrade capacity vs dollar, etc. it does not compare to many others. Everyone states that everytime. You say, drive-ability. You realize this is the calibration, not the supercharger. It's a mechanical device, it will reasonable amount of air. Drive-ability comes from the PCM and I'm sorry, but using aftermarket tools, you simply cannot duplicate our cal. Can one make a cal better via aftermarket tools for someone's needs or desires? No question, Lund and Ken at PBD do it everyday and quite well. In general, aftermarket tools limit the cal process and therefore the cals vary significantly, meaning many have to "tweak" the cal to stop surging, idle, shifting, etc. They get it right 99.9% of the time, but that is how the aftermarket tools and companies have to do it since not all are given full tools or engineering support with full tools.

So every time you make some claim, it has been highly in accurate. Yes, WE ALL KNOW that if you were going to SC a S550, you would get an Edelbrock and we all support your decision. But if someone is asking about info and others have already done the research, they are lending there thoughts, facts and opinions to help the person asking. If many feel ours is best, then that's the popular opinion. If they say it's Procharger, or whatever, that's what they feel. In many cases, they have a valid reason for that thought.

Sir, since you work for Whipple, do you have any 2015-16 Mustangs in your facility that have an 2015-16 Edelbrock S/C on them and have you directly tested them? If so, can you provide me a dyno sheet from your facility (not someone else's) that prove Whipple's claims about the inferiority of the Edelbrock unit (meaning a dyno sheet on a 2015-16 Mustang with the Edelbrock S/C installed)? What other documented proof can you provide as to the claims you're making about Edelbrock since that's what every one of your Fanboys wants from me? Just curious. Thank you.

 

[Phoenix]

Sir, since you work for Whipple, do you have any 2015-16 Mustangs in your facility that have an 2015-16 Edelbrock S/C on them and have you directly tested them? If so, can you provide me a dyno sheet from your facility (not someone else's) that prove Whipple's claims about the inferiority of the Edelbrock unit? What other documented proof can you provide as to the claims you're making about Edelbrock since that's what every one of your Fanboys wants from me? Jut curious.

 

[daltron]

Sir, since you work for Whipple, do you have any 2015-16 Mustangs in your facility that have an 2015-16 Edelbrock S/C on them and have you directly tested them? If so, can you provide me a dyno sheet from your facility (not someone else's) that prove Whipple's claims about the inferiority of the Edelbrock unit (meaning a dyno sheet on a 2015-16 Mustang with the Edelbrock S/C installed)? What other documented proof can you provide as to the claims you're making about Edelbrock since that's what every one of your Fanboys wants from me? Just curious. Thank you.

Oh, I so bet you work for or have some kind of relationship with Edelbrock lol.

 

[Superman15]

Sir, since you work for Whipple, do you have any 2015-16 Mustangs in your facility that have an 2015-16 Edelbrock S/C on them and have you directly tested them? If so, can you provide me a dyno sheet from your facility (not someone else's) that prove Whipple's claims about the inferiority of the Edelbrock unit (meaning a dyno sheet on a 2015-16 Mustang with the Edelbrock S/C installed)? What other documented proof can you provide as to the claims you're making about Edelbrock since that's what every one of your Fanboys wants from me? Just curious. Thank you.

He does a little more than just "work for Whipple" lol Just sayin.

 

[ShelbyGT350]

Oh, I so bet you work for or have some kind of relationship with Edelbrock lol.

No, I don't, period. I just like the product and for that I am vilified by the Whipple fans.

Here's an article you all might find interesting about dynos with a supercharged Mustang: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1103-chassis-dyno-testing/

The other factor is which octane gas you're using - 91 or 93? Here in CA, you can't get 93 octane gas (at least in San Diego where I am). So those HP numbers are different. I was in Texas last week on business and 93 octane is quite plentiful, but not in this CARB-overregulated People's Republic of California.

 

[Quackfoo]

No, I don't, period. I just like the product and for that I am vilified by the Whipple fans.

Here's an article you all might find interesting about dynos with a supercharged Mustang: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1103-chassis-dyno-testing/

The other factor is which octane gas you're using - 91 or 93? Here in CA, you can't get 93 octane gas (at least in San Diego where I am). So those HP numbers are different. I was in Texas last week on business and 93 octane is quite plentiful, but not in this CARB-overregulated People's Republic of California.

No one vilified you. You just got pissed because everyone didn't jump on the edelbrock bandwagon. You weren't interested in opinions, you wanted validation and threw a fit when you didn't get it.

 

[Speedwagon]

You can install a blower and you can't properly fill oil, that's impressive.

He asked for opinions, he got them, he didn't like them. Add any analogy here where someone asks a question and gets answers that they didn't want to hear.

Right... I asked for "opinions".... (Must read titles) Not... Is Whipple better than Edelbrock?? You missed the whole boat there...

 

[Quackfoo]

Anyone have the Edelbrock E Force Supercharger or thinking about getting one? Just want ot get your thoughts ...

Peoples thoughts are there are better ways to spend your money. So the short answer is NO. Don't get mad because people didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. If you don't want to hear get a whipple, go paxton or Ken Belle. Hell buy the Edelbrock no one really cares how you spend your money.

 

[Speedwagon]

Peoples thoughts are there are better ways to spend your money. So the short answer is NO. Don't get mad because people didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. If you don't want to hear get a whipple, go paxton or Ken Belle. Hell buy the Edelbrock no one really cares how you spend your money.

Then why even comment... ??

 

[Phoenix]

Then why even comment... ??

because believe it or not, people come here to do research for car modifications.

 

[Whipple SC]

Sir, since you work for Whipple, do you have any 2015-16 Mustangs in your facility that have an 2015-16 Edelbrock S/C on them and have you directly tested them? If so, can you provide me a dyno sheet from your facility (not someone else's) that prove Whipple's claims about the inferiority of the Edelbrock unit (meaning a dyno sheet on a 2015-16 Mustang with the Edelbrock S/C installed)? What other documented proof can you provide as to the claims you're making about Edelbrock since that's what every one of your Fanboys wants from me? Just curious. Thank you.

Have I tested there 15 Mustang kit? No

Have I tested there GM kit? Yes.

Have I tested there 11-14 Mustang kit? Yes.

Have I tested the Eaton 2300 rotor pack? Yes in many different configurations.

I never said its inferior, I simply stated it cannot match us. Time and time again I state it's a good product.

We already know our SC is better, it gets even better as flow and boost levels increase. We already know advertised power numbers are drastically different. We already know we back our numbers up 100% as many many many people have shown. Since we've been in the market since 1988 and have more supercharging experience then many others combined. We have a pretty good understanding on what makes systems work and how to evaluate good and bad in the supercharging world.

Any cal engineer will tell you, having OEM tools, OEM engineers, OEM labs at your disposal are a massive advantage. Everyone knows the S550 is much more complicated to tune. We all know custom calibration are sometimes taking up to 5 revisions. We all know people are having drive ability issues. We are in he market, we know what we all have to deal with. Our lead calibrator has been Ford Racing lead calibrator for 12+ years where he has come up with new technology that goes to future OEM projects. Software that went into the 05-10 Mustang cal was in the GT500 and many others.

Most customers here are actually speaking from first hand knowledge. If I remember correctly, you don't have an S550 or a supercharger. yet you constantly post inaccurate info.

 

[ShelbyGT350]

Have I tested there 15 Mustang kit? No

Have I tested there GM kit? Yes.

Have I tested there 11-14 Mustang kit? Yes.

Have I tested the Eaton 2300 rotor pack? Yes in many different configurations.

I never said its inferior, I simply stated it cannot match us. Time and time again I state it's a good product.

We already know our SC is better, it gets even better as flow and boost levels increase. We already know advertised power numbers are drastically different. We already know we back our numbers up 100% as many many many people have shown. Since we've been in the market since 1988 and have more supercharging experience then many others combined. We have a pretty good understanding on what makes systems work and how to evaluate good and bad in the supercharging world.

Any cal engineer will tell you, having OEM tools, OEM engineers, OEM labs at your disposal are a massive advantage. Everyone knows the S550 is much more complicated to tune. We all know custom calibration are sometimes taking up to 5 revisions. We all know people are having drive ability issues. We are in he market, we know what we all have to deal with. Our lead calibrator has been Ford Racing lead calibrator for 12+ years where he has come up with new technology that goes to future OEM projects. Software that went into the 05-10 Mustang cal was in the GT500 and many others.

Most customers here are actually speaking from first hand knowledge. If I remember correctly, you don't have an S550 or a supercharger. yet you constantly post inaccurate info.

Well, when you test the 2015-16 Edelbrock 1586 for the Mustang, please share the results. Otherwise, I wouldn't comment on it.

 

[Whipple SC]

Well, when you test the 2015-16 Edelbrock 1586 for the Mustang, please share the results. Otherwise, I wouldn't comment on it.

Bro, when you get a mustang with a supercharger, maybe you can add some actual value to the site.

 

[SloSVO]

Anyone have the Edelbrock E Force Supercharger or thinking about getting one? Just want ot get your thoughts ...

the only experience i have with the edelbrock blower is from a buddies s197 three valve.. If I recall correctly it ended up making 570 or so.. I don't recall the boost level.. he didn't want to pulley it up higher cause was worried of the 5r55 taking a shit.. He actually had just forged the bottom end cause he bent a rod at around the 470 mark... I do remember the blower being easy to install... from my understanding it a Eaton TVS rotor pack that has the intercooler on top.. like the saleen blower.. but the saleen blowers flaw was the smashed up inlet they have...

My experience with whipple was a 04 cobra i bought were the previous owner had it dyno'd and made 702.. two weeks later the accufab throttle body they took apart to clean and never restaked the blade screws came apart and destroyed the whipple.. When i bought the car i looked into having the whipple repaired, but both whipple and jon bond said t was too fubard.. whipple wanted 2500 for a new center section (case and rotors) and at same time VMP had just came out with their 2300 TVS that i was able to get for 2700.. So i went the VMP route... without touching the tune at all.. the tvs blower would consistently make more under the curve power than the previous dyno graphs from the whipple.. (same dyno/shop) the end overall HP was the same.. but under the curve the TVS was stronger... thats 2.3 to 2.3... they sell a 2.9 with the s550 kit... I saw at SEMA like in 2012 or so that Eaton had a 3.3 rotor pack.. i have pictures somewhere.. but then at the folloing year SEMA show it was gone.. I asked them what ever became of that.. and the guy just said they did find it feasible and where concentrating on another project.. whether thats BS or not I don't know.. but it would have been cool to see what it could have done

anyway that is my experience with them.. For my S550 I'm either going procharger or turbo.. :cheers:

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