Ecoboost blown engine

[Dirty-EB-Chicago]

Well Dirty-EB-Chicago was the 1st to bring up the Ecoboost beating a GT. Not me. All I did was comment on the warranty aspect.

And just a little helpful hint. "Costed" is not a word.;)

The validity of my point remains though. here is a man trying to resolve blowing his brothers block up and your comment provided no information to alleviate his concern, but rather it rubbed dirt in his open wound. so your comment was not innocent in nature. Firing back just now with "he started it!" isn't necessarily fair either. A well modified Eco does beat a stock GT and equates to just about the same price, (although our exhaust doesn't sound as sexy). ill apologize for antagonizing you to the extend that I did, I've got no problem with that, all I'm imploring of you is don't be that guy on the forum. That's fair right? Truce?

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[Seceda91]

Me too, I've always loved the V8 sound and pull, there's just nothing like it. In fact I'll bet every EB owner on here would trade their EB, even modified for a GT350 of given the opportunity.

That mustang variant is just awesome in every way (except fuel economy). It makes great power, has legs that go all the way up (8200 RPM, let that sink in), extremely low un-sprung mass (carbon fiber wheels), magnetic suspension (I believe it's active) and looks that almost kill...but its $66,000 lol.

But since that scenario is 99.999999999999999999% likely to NOT happen, I am thankful for options like the ecoboost I4. A full bolt on EB on pump gas can run mid 12's, which is the same as a stock GT350, not bad for car that's less than 1/2 the cost!

No way, a full bolt-on EB on pump gas can do mid 12's? That's pretty gnarly! I always thought that with every bolt-on added on an aggressive E30 tune is like 12.7-12.9.. for an M6. Of course upgrading the turbo can get it to the 9's lol

Perhaps an auto with a killer 60' can get to mid 12's easier I'll imagine. Getting an EB to hit crack into the 12's and running well is def. an accomplish in it's own.

The GT350 is my DREAM car and is wayyyy out of my budget unfortunately. They run low 12's stock (the R ran 12.2 tested numerous times) which is more than enough for the streets. The only comparable bang for your buck car is the new SS (they run low 12's as well and 12 flat for the auto) but I can't see myself driving a Chevy.

The thing that is killing me is the insurance for the GT. I'll be getting raped and who knows, I may end up with an EB. The note of the 5.0 with an exhaust upgrade keeps telling me to hold off on the EB

 

[Dirty-EB-Chicago]

Also lets all admit it was a good bit of fun having this little forum war this morning yeah?
fighting is fun, its better when it ends with beers and laughing.
Agreed?

 

[TheLion]

No way, a full bolt-on EB on pump gas can do mid 12's? That's pretty gnarly! I always thought that with every bolt-on added on an aggressive E30 tune is like 12.7-12.9.. for an M6. Of course upgrading the turbo can get it to the 9's lol

Perhaps an auto with a killer 60' can get to mid 12's easier I'll imagine. Getting an EB to hit crack into the 12's and running well is def. an accomplish in it's own.

The GT350 is my DREAM car and is wayyyy out of my budget unfortunately. They run low 12's stock (the R ran 12.2 tested numerous times) which is more than enough for the streets. The only comparable bang for your buck car is the new SS (they run low 12's as well and 12 flat for the auto) but I can't see myself driving a Chevy.

The thing that is killing me is the insurance for the GT. I'll be getting raped and who knows, I may end up with an EB. The note of the 5.0 with an exhaust upgrade keeps telling me to hold off on the EB

FastRanchero ran 12.7's on stock PP tires full bolt on, 6MT, stock turbo. He's now in mid 11's with a big turbo, 6MT on pump gas if I'm not mistaken (he has a friend also similar setup ran 11.5), I think both are running 3.73 rear end like me. YoKen ran 12.7 with Tune+ 93 tune, FMIC and Drag Radials on his 6MT (3.55 rear end).

With manual the biggest issue is the driver, but manuals tend to need to be geared a bit lower, there's no torque converter so you don't get converter multiplication. At low speeds some torque converters have a multiplication factor of up to 2:1, so 300 ft-lbs from the crank is then 600 after the converter before you even get to the trans gearing and final drive. The 93 pump gas auto's can run mid 12's all day long with just a tune, FMIC and some good tires. Usually the MT's are about .25 to .5 seconds slower for the average driver, but with a good driver they are about dead even.

 

[Witj85]

This forum has got to be one of the worst for ppl talking shit.. Seriously petty as hell man.

 

[TheLion]

I'd have to agree, one past instance was a guy bought a car with Livernois tune on it used, did some mods and blew the engine. Half the forum jumped in and claimed LMS lied because they just failed a customer car (their claim is they have never failed a client car to date in their 20 year history)...

Turns out the guy who modded it made a mistake and cause a mechanical failure which would have blown the engine even with stock PCM software...all the sudden the hubris and criticism died out when the actual information came to light. Just an example where even a vendor got in on the bashing of another company before all the facts were present. People are quick to point fingers. Same thing with me, I ran Brisk RR14YS plugs with their software. I originally chose those plugs from Brisk before I tuned. I never thought to revisit weather they were appropriate to use with the increased power and heat. Turns out I cracked a plug insulator in #4 (scared the crap out of me when it happened). I came to find out that 1.) the RR14YS plugs were not appropriate for increased power above stock according to Brisk 2.) Livernois actually had issues with cracking Brisk plug insulators in the past on their shop cars during testing phase and never used them since. So I couldn't fault Brisk or LMS for a mistake on my part, fortunately which had minor consequences (went back to OE plugs which is what they recomended).

I don't think Unleashed necessarily makes bad PCM software, but in this case the user may not have been aware of his limitations and didn't get re-tuned for cold weather. Some tunes, mostly the canned tunes from Ford Performance or quasi-canned tunes from LMS are tested in cold weather and meant to be used year around.

Some of the shop tunes may be while some may not be (it may also depend on who far the client is asking the shop to push the car). If the "brother" in this case had investigated more, I'm sure Unleashed would have told him to come in to make adjustments for cold weather (or possibly done it remotely). So unless Unleashed told the client the tune was safe and tested for cold weather conditions, the fault would not be on him, logic is a b*** some times....

 

[Rambl3r]

I love you EcoBros :love:

 

[NightParade]

Excellent points man, you nailed it. Yes I always wanted the V8 and that's because I'm fine with the power in stock form. Once I get the car, I can't tune it or do anything crazy since I have no cash cover repairs on my dime.

Bang for you buck, the EB Mustang wins.. Like the above mentioned, with $1300 it can pretty much get to a stock GT level and might even feel quicker from stoplight to stoplight.

If one wants to remain stock or do mods that doesn't mess with the warranty, then yes.. There's no replacement for displacement.

^This is well said.
I just think its funny the GT guys that don't pay attention or know much about the ecoboost motor thinks they are ticking time bomb with any small amount of modifications. They are pretty stout little 4 bangers and the only problems seem to mainly be coming from this same issue with the early build 2015 motors which almost always happen with any first year new platform and engines across many automakers.

The EB has much more potential than NA V8 with fbo at lower cost overall and may i say more fun to drive. The formula is easy... big turbo kit or even more inexpensive replacement stock location vargas TS and turbonetics unit coming out, fmic, port injection or hpfp, and a good tune your at a low 11 sec to high 10 sec car set up correctly. Have money left over to buy some suspension and tires.

Sorry about your brother's motor though its always a bad feeling, i hope it all gets sorted out one way or another.

 

[metalhead79]

This thread is interesting for me. I have been planning to do a Pro Cal tune in the spring since my car will be under warranty for a few years and then switch to something aggressive after the warranty is up. I had never considered that an aftermarket tune could be affected by weather. It gets very, very cold in Colorado. This will make me rethink that and maybe just stay with the Pro Cal tune.

Also....what's with the GT guys bashing EB owners? Not everyone wants or needs a V8.
I used to have a GT. I did everything you could to that engine short of FI. Cams, heads, full exhaust, suspension, trans work, etc... Then, I swapped out the SOHC 4.6 for an '03 Mach 1 crate motor. Drove it like that for years. Fun car...
I have been down the NA V8 route, and it's fun, but now I drive an EB. Why? Because it fits my needs...and it's a fun street car.

 

[PRG3k]

No way, a full bolt-on EB on pump gas can do mid 12's? That's pretty gnarly! I always thought that with every bolt-on added on an aggressive E30 tune is like 12.7-12.9.. for an M6. Of course upgrading the turbo can get it to the 9's lol

I do a 12.9 with a good E30 tune and wastegate. My exhaust is also completely stock and I have an intake they probably robs me of a few HP also. I also have a stick, full leather and premium audio. By 60 foot time is also a mediocre 1.8. It's totally doable.

 

[2015 Silver GT]

It's funny seeing all the 4-banger V8 wannabes thinking 12's are fast.:lol:

 

[JStang15]

It's funny seeing all the 4-banger V8 wannabes thinking 12's are fast.:lol:

"4-banger V8 wannabes"

No one here is a "wannabe"

Please grow up

 

[Seceda91]

It's funny seeing all the 4-banger V8 wannabes thinking 12's are fast.:lol:

12's are fast enough IMO. Heck, M6 GT with Performance Pack are high 12 sec cars to 13's flat stock.. They are fast enough by all means.

12 sec ecoboost with the lighter weight will feel like a rocket on the streets since the torque kicks in fast.

 

[PRG3k]

It's funny seeing all the 4-banger V8 wannabes thinking 12's are fast.:lol:

Self-loathing level looks to be pretty strong today. Remove any mirrors in your house, that should help.

 

[MyFirst5.0]

maybe instead of arguing v8 vs turbo 4 we should all grieve for the loss of our 6 cyl bros in 2018..

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