Doesn't feel like 460hp...?

[Zinc03svt]

Yes, but comparing $450-600 versus 6-7k.

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[DuRsT]

No one brought up money. Roots blower = max low end torque.

 

[Zinc03svt]

No one brought up money. Roots blower = max low end torque.

Which roots blower do you recommend? .

 

[Dark Pony]

I have a 2015, so 30 less horses than you, and I agree, it does feel slow. It's a top end car that needs to be wound out a bit. Sport modes helps a little. Still, it's a heavy car. My last performance car was a turbo Integra that weighed around 2400lbs and made almost 500 whp, and my mustang compared to that feels like a dog. That said, idgaf, I love the mustang, and I'm gonna put a blower on it and call it a day. That should give it all the pep it needs to keep me happy. If I wanna go real fast I'll take the s1000rr.

 

[BlackEB2019]

This is an interesting discussion. Before I purchased a Mustang, I test drove a 2019 GT Premium for weekend and then a 2019 EB Premium for a weekend. I've been buying a new car from the same dealer ever 3 years for over 15 years, so they had no issues with me doing the extended test drives. I was trading in my 2016 F150 EB and had also just sold my 1977 Corvette with a warmed over 355 engine. So I was used to lots of torque down low in the RPM range. I live in a major city and don't get the chance to really get on it very often, so when I was done testing the GT I told the dealer it felt a bit sluggish around town. He told me that this is often the case for people coming out of large displacement NA engines and trucks which generally make their power low in the RPM range. Since I loved my F150 EB, he asked me to test the Mustang EB. I admit I was skeptical as it was only a 2.3L and I really wanted the 5.0 for bragging rights and of course that sweet sound like my Corvette had. However, after testing the EB over that weekend, I realized that for the type of low RPM/part throttle driving I'm forced into here in the city, the EB actually felt better to me. So I scarified the bragging rights/sound, but ultimately got the Mustang that worked best for my driving style/conditions.

My point is, the GT is a beast if you can wind it out, but it does feel a bit slow in city type traffic.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

This is an interesting discussion. Before I purchased a Mustang, I test drove a 2019 GT Premium for weekend and then a 2019 EB Premium for a weekend. I've been buying a new car from the same dealer ever 3 years for over 15 years, so they had no issues with me doing the extended test drives. I was trading in my 2016 F150 EB and had also just sold my 1977 Corvette with a warmed over 355 engine. So I was used to lots of torque down low in the RPM range. I live in a major city and don't get the chance to really get on it very often, so when I was done testing the GT I told the dealer it felt a bit sluggish around town. He told me that this is often the case for people coming out of large displacement NA engines and trucks which generally make their power low in the RPM range. Since I loved my F150 EB, he asked me to test the Mustang EB. I admit I was skeptical as it was only a 2.3L and I really wanted the 5.0 for bragging rights and of course that sweet sound like my Corvette had. However, after testing the EB over that weekend, I realized that for the type of low RPM/part throttle driving I'm forced into here in the city, the EB actually felt better to me. So I scarified the bragging rights/sound, but ultimately got the Mustang that worked best for my driving style/conditions.

My point is, the GT is a beast if you can wind it out, but it does feel a bit slow in city type traffic.

I disagree. My car ('18 GT PP1 A10) never feels "slow" (except maybe below 2,000 rpm in 9th and 10th gears) and I can give it part throttle at any given moment and it downshifts a couple of gears and lurches forward. Also, I'm nearly certain that the '18 Ecoboost never makes more torque than the '18 Gen 3 Coyote at any point on the power curve. In otherwords, the Gen 3 Coyote 5.0 makes more torque than the ecoboost everywhere on the curve. The difference that you and others are likely feeling, is that with a turbo engine, torque at low/mid rpms under let's say, 1/2 or slightly more throttle, is nearly full torque output. Whereas with a naturally aspirated engine, there is greater difference between 1/2 throttle and full throttle at any given rpm when compared to a turbo engine. I guess there's something to that since yours isn't the first I've heard of a similar impression.

I came from a tuned and bolt on Mazdaspeed3 that made over 300 crank hp, 330 ft-lbs torque, and only weighed 3150 lbs, so it was somewhat quicker than a stock Ecoboost. So I'm experienced with the turbo feel. Yes, it felt torquey at low/mid rpms under part throttle but it always disappointed me a tiny bit when I would then give it full throttle and there was not much more output, and it died above 6,000 rpm, even with a tune (pre-tune it used to really die past 5,500 rpm). But the Gen 3 5.0 A10 still blew me away when I drove it.

Anyway, to each his own.

 

[BlackEB2019]

Yes, we're basically saying the same thing. The EB just felt better to me at part throttle in the lower RPM range, which is where I do most of my driving. I also agree that on the rare occasions I can get on it, the power output is a bit disappointing. It really comes down to where you do most of your driving and if you like the old school muscle car low end grunt feel. My Corvette was the same way, lots of grunt down low, but no power past 5K RPM.

 

[DuRsT]

Which roots blower do you recommend? .

I ran a Roush on my ‘13 and it was solid, although silent. Always wanted a Whipple as well.

 

[Zinc03svt]

I ran a Roush on my ‘13 and it was solid, although silent. Always wanted a Whipple as well.

I thought those (Roush/Whipple) were considered twin screw (tvs) type blowers? Eaton would be roots.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Yes, we're basically saying the same thing. The EB just felt better to me at part throttle in the lower RPM range, which is where I do most of my driving. I also agree that on the rare occasions I can get on it, the power output is a bit disappointing. It really comes down to where you do most of your driving and if you like the old school muscle car low end grunt feel. My Corvette was the same way, lots of grunt down low, but no power past 5K RPM.

Was it an L98 powered Corvette? My first car was a used 1987 Camaro Z28 that had a 305 TPI in it that I bought in '95, then I swapped in the 350 L98. Nice low end, but weak at the top. It's funny to look at pics of the tach in that car with such a low red line.

 

[Qcman17]

This is an interesting discussion. Before I purchased a Mustang, I test drove a 2019 GT Premium for weekend and then a 2019 EB Premium for a weekend. I've been buying a new car from the same dealer ever 3 years for over 15 years, so they had no issues with me doing the extended test drives. I was trading in my 2016 F150 EB and had also just sold my 1977 Corvette with a warmed over 355 engine. So I was used to lots of torque down low in the RPM range. I live in a major city and don't get the chance to really get on it very often, so when I was done testing the GT I told the dealer it felt a bit sluggish around town. He told me that this is often the case for people coming out of large displacement NA engines and trucks which generally make their power low in the RPM range. Since I loved my F150 EB, he asked me to test the Mustang EB. I admit I was skeptical as it was only a 2.3L and I really wanted the 5.0 for bragging rights and of course that sweet sound like my Corvette had. However, after testing the EB over that weekend, I realized that for the type of low RPM/part throttle driving I'm forced into here in the city, the EB actually felt better to me. So I scarified the bragging rights/sound, but ultimately got the Mustang that worked best for my driving style/conditions.

My point is, the GT is a beast if you can wind it out, but it does feel a bit slow in city type traffic.

Thoughtful post there. I would add if the car is a daily driver or a weekend toy it may affect the points you noted. My car is just a toy as I have a company truck I drive to and from work. So it only has the start button pushed to experience a little bit of joy.

That meant the 5.0 was a solid choice for me based on the car's intended usage. But certainly if it was driven in daily busy traffic it would be a waste of sorts. The other thing I would note is the GT was not on my radar until it offered the A10 auto. I always felt the car would be sluggish with only 6 speeds behind it be they auto or manual. I'm sure the manual in a 6 speed is better than the 6 speed auto would have been though. And coming from a 6.2 in my Camaro SS with lots of low end grunt made me more concerned about this notion I had about the 5.0.

The other thing I notice is with this car being on the loud side even stock it makes me think I'm hammering the throttle due to the sound its making when in fact I'm not coming onto the throttle that much really. Someone followed me a couple weeks ago to my house and thought I was wailing on the car due to the sound until they looked at their speedo and realized I wasn't being wreckless at all.

 

[DuRsT]

I thought those (Roush/Whipple) were considered twin screw (tvs) type blowers? Eaton would be roots.

The Roush R2650 TVS supercharger is a roots-type positive displacement supercharger that features twin four-lobe rotors that are twisted 170-degrees. By comparison, the original Eaton supercharger rotating assembly featured three lobes twisted 60-degrees. The fourth lobe and the added twist, provides a long list of benefits including: greatly enhanced thermal efficiency, higher volumetric capacity, higher operating speeds, a smoother, more efficient flow of air into the engine, and improved noise and vibration characteristics. Unlike turbocharging, the Roush R2650 TVS supercharger provides instant throttle response and can generate increased power through the engine's entire power band.

 

[showbbq]

Yes, we're basically saying the same thing. The EB just felt better to me at part throttle in the lower RPM range, which is where I do most of my driving. I also agree that on the rare occasions I can get on it, the power output is a bit disappointing. It really comes down to where you do most of your driving and if you like the old school muscle car low end grunt feel. My Corvette was the same way, lots of grunt down low, but no power past 5K RPM.

So basically, ignore your own driving impressions and the majority of everyone who agrees with you, and smash the throttle and you won't feel slow. Lol

 

[oneheadlite]

Some guy in a BMW today kicked in his throttle beside me while I was in a Left turn lane.
Also, I was in my Sky (it's a Turbo); not the Mustang.
BMW didn't seem like much. Don't know what it was.

Wish I'd had the Mustang so I could have put him in his place..............

 

[Qcman17]

I'm coming back to this thread to change my view of the cars speed. I have now decided its as fast as Hell Maybe I just had to get used to it or break it in more I don't know but damn this thing hauls!

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