Doesn't feel like 460hp...?

[w3rkn]

But this (new one) goes to eleven...

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[Nomadic]

Apparently myself, the Chevy salesman, and the rest of the world (based on sales) are wrong. Cool story.

Well based on your logic, the Corolla and Prius must be incredible cars too since they sell like crazy.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Well based on your logic, the Corolla and Prius must be incredible cars too since they sell like crazy.

And Justin Bieber must be a talented musician, since he sells a lot of music...

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I so agree with this but the problem is I believe way too many people do care and this then drives the engineers and sales guys to design a car to win in the magazine articles and tracks. And of course all the "internet racing" of mine is faster then yours. I believe this is the reason why this particular thread was started. The engineers probably design a certain amount of street fun torque out of the motor to add it to the top end HP to win on the strip and dyno. "Win on Sunday sell on Monday". I would GLADLY take a bunch more torque and loose 500 RPM or so off the top and even 50 HP less at redline.

But by reducing the redline 500 rpm you won't get a bunch more torque, you'll get some more torque, but the top end is where the torque is needed for making the car fast in a straight line - which is where the Gen 3 Coyote excels at. It's why, even though the GT A10 has 35 ft lbs less torque than the SS LT1 engine, it is slightly faster than the SS A10 because it has more hp, even though it is about 40-50 lbs heavier.

That said, if you want more torque, I believe the F-150 intake manifold will give it to you, and will bring down the max hp rpm by well over 1,000 rpm if my memory serves me correct. And you'll lose something like 80-90 hp and gain a decent amount of torque. And your car will be much slower because of it. But at least it'll impress at 2,500 rpm!

 

[tw557]

Honestly I believe the name "Mustang" and "5.0" and "coyote" have been marketed perfectly. The mustang heritage runs deeper then the Camaro I feel. I believe the Camaro does bring a lot of great traits but just doesn't have the same appeal as people wanting a "Mustang". And I'm one of them. First car was a mustang, mustang car shows, in general mustangs get more attention then Camaros in our area. But with that said I sure would like the motor and handling and interior of the Camaro over a GT.

Evidently the Camaro brings plenty of good traits because Nomadic had some years in the Mustangs and felt the need to go to the Camaro. Pretty sure he didn't switch over just to come on here and talk crap about mustangs.

 

[Nomnom]

isn't power to weight ratio a big factor? a civic type R only needs about 380hp to be about as fast as a GT since it's lighter. a 300hp miata would supposedly be about as fast too.

 

[DuRsT]

Well based on your logic, the Corolla and Prius must be incredible cars too since they sell like crazy.

For their intended purpose, basic transportation for the masses, yes.

 

[tw557]

That said, if you want more torque, I believe the F-150 intake manifold will give it to you, and will bring down the max hp rpm by well over 1,000 rpm if my memory serves me correct. And you'll lose something like 80-90 hp and gain a decent amount of torque. And your car will be much slower because of it. But at least it'll impress at 2,500 rpm![/QUOTE]

The F150 intake will certainly be a consideration when the time comes to get the GT where I want it for the street. I will probably never see the track and very seldom full throttle redline runs so .5 sec or so slower at the track I will not care about. The thing is I planned to get a new GT that has a nice warranty and I NEVER imagined 450 HP was going to feel this slow while short shifting and driving around normally. I'd downshift, then downshift again and cause more attention then I would like with a high revving v8 coming down the road. So I was really disappointed I was going to need to void a warranty to have a motor that was going to be as fun as my turbo cars were in the past or big V8's from the long past.

 

[d1zguy]

2018 F150 intake?

GT350?

That said, if you want more torque, I believe the F-150 intake manifold will give it to you, and will bring down the max hp rpm by well over 1,000 rpm if my memory serves me correct. And you'll lose something like 80-90 hp and gain a decent amount of torque. And your car will be much slower because of it. But at least it'll impress at 2,500 rpm!

The F150 intake will certainly be a consideration when the time comes to get the GT where I want it for the street. I will probably never see the track and very seldom full throttle redline runs so .5 sec or so slower at the track I will not care about. The thing is I planned to get a new GT that has a nice warranty and I NEVER imagined 450 HP was going to feel this slow while short shifting and driving around normally. I'd downshift, then downshift again and cause more attention then I would like with a high revving v8 coming down the road. So I was really disappointed I was going to need to void a warranty to have a motor that was going to be as fun as my turbo cars were in the past or big V8's from the long past.[/QUOTE]

Does your car have active exhaust, just set it to quiet when you downshift again.

 

[torqued]

I NEVER imagined 450 HP was going to feel this slow while short shifting and driving around normally. I'd downshift, then downshift again and cause more attention then I would like with a high revving v8 coming down the road. So I was really disappointed I was going to need to void a warranty to have a motor that was going to be as fun as my turbo cars were in the past or big V8's from the long past.

I too have been disappointed since coming from OHV motors in Chevies when I was younger to these OHC motors. Honestly, I think of these as over-sized Civic engines. My new high-performance car feels weaker driving around town than the old 5L V-8 in the hand-me-down '84 Caprice I drove in college. I think in a way it's a marketing trick with these engines, configure them to make ridiculous power that you can advertise, but put it way up in the rev band, outside of normal driving around town range, and don't suffer the wrath of the EPA MPG-counters or insurance companies if that power was more readily available.

With all that said however, I keep buying these, over cars with engines more suited to my taste, because of styling and having more faith in Ford's quality over the other two. So I'm learning to adjust my driving habits. I cruise on the freeway at 2K and have noticed that even two downshifts is not enough power to really overtake someone so I gotta get used to thinking to go three. On the streets, I don't care for having to make a big noise to wring some power out of this car, but it's what you gotta do. Like everything in life, it's a compromise.

 

[Furious18]

i knew a guy that had a rear mount turbo, built motor Camaro back when 9 second cars were insane. It was a automatic and felt rather slow for what it was.
I had a buddy with a built 4g63 and a gt48 that felt scary fast. Like brutal and terrifying fast on the street.

If you took a ride in both cars you’d think the dsm made 400 more hp and the Camaro would snatch its soul.

The mustang is tame feeling. It’s peaky with all the power up top. Rather smooth, rwd which doesn’t feel as fast IMO. Some cars are just that way. We are lucky to have factory base model mustangs that trap 115+ mph stock and don’t feel fast. Shit, my ecoboost f150 would do the humpty dance on my old foxbody mustang with four people in it with the ac on. It’s a great time to be car people

 

[boB]

Many of us would probably be happier with the F-150 engine for it's greater low-end torque. John George used one in his #48 Factory Five Type 65 Daytona Coupe and hit 135 mph at VIR even with the power limited by software.
We could swap in the intake and cams of the F-150 Coyote but at some point (Gen 2 to Gen 3 ?) the firing order became different for the two Coyotes.

 

[AlmostFamous]

Moral of this thread, low-end torque makes a car feel faster and some people don’t like to rev.

 

[Hadelson]

My two cents. My Dad taught me the car companies never make the perfect car to meet everyone's needs. My old 69 340cu" dyno out at just over 400 HP. That car was fast and fun to drive. Won a lot of money street light racing with it. My 19 GT PP1 car is faster, handles great with fantastic brakes and get's 25MPH on the road at 75MPH. That said, it only seats two comfortably. Guess my GT is not a good as my 72 Charger as it seated 4 with comfort.

**Yes a 72 Charger with a "69" 340 CI motor with a lot of internal mods...…...very nice motor and in its day, destroyed a lot of Mustangs and Camaro's. **

 

[JKL1031]

Track mode will clear it all up..100% throttle at 50%pedal

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