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After trading in my mustang I don't post here too often but I still check in now and then just incase I can add something to a conversation. With that said, I'm still manual or die even if it's not in a mustang!





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I HATE gated shifters, especially in a Ferrari, since they had probably the best manual transmission anywhere (the awesome Graziano). I had the pleasure of driving another Graziano manual on a friend's Aston Martin Vantage, and it was immensely more enjoyable than the gated shifter IMO. But it's a matter of personal preference, of course. My brother had a manual F430 which I bought for him, and still enjoyed it a lot in the twisties, but you lose the mechanical feel with the gates.
 

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I HATE gated shifters, especially in a Ferrari, since they had probably the best manual transmission anywhere (the awesome Graziano).
Sorry to upset you.
The image is supposed to be purely symbolic.
Visible gates emphasizes the “mechanicality” of the manual transmission.
They just invites you to discover the next gear.
For some of us, they can be a part of aesthetics.
 

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As an European fella, I find it quite funny all U US guys, can get such a rise out of this 'can U drive a stick' thing. Here (in Denmark) probably 95-99% of cars are manual. Until 3 years ago, manuals were mandatory when taking a licence, so everbody can drive stick. Nothing special. Now its possible to take an 'auto-only' licence. But if U later wanna drive a manual, U have to take a new test in a manual.
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Wish that was true here too.

Unfortunately, not only due to laziness, etc., we became accustom to the 'open road' mindset. Now that traffic is horrific on most major highways, no one can be bothered and has lost much of the enjoyment of driving. To minimize the impact, many turn to autos. Me, I will die with a manual even if I have to duct tape this one together (or the next) or any other extreme measures that have to be taken. You cannot play drums without all your limbs in action and I feel that driving is the same and more enjoyable and engaging because of this in a manual.

Also, there is more to driving than just going fast. Manual guys get that. The A10 was just a way to go faster. It added nothing to connectivity. It put one more computer between you and the road and just added complexity. I prefer the simple life.
 

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Wish that was true here too.

Unfortunately, not only due to laziness, etc., we became accustom to the 'open road' mindset. Now that traffic is horrific on most major highways, no one can be bothered and has lost much of the enjoyment of driving. To minimize the impact, many turn to autos. Me, I will die with a manual even if I have to duct tape this one together (or the next) or any other extreme measures that have to be taken. You cannot play drums without all your limbs in action and I feel that driving is the same and more enjoyable and engaging because of this in a manual.

Also, there is more to driving than just going fast. Manual guys get that. The A10 was just a way to go faster. It added nothing to connectivity. It put one more computer between you and the road and just added complexity. I prefer the simple life.
I'll take that a step further and say the general populous has become so complacent to driving that it's flat out dangerous to anybody who isn't driving a modern vehicle with 28 airbags and 900 crash prevention sensors to be out on the roads. I honestly believe the majority of people these days can barely distinguish being in their car versus still being on the couch at home. I think there's a bit of truth to the argument that the more tech bs we cram into cars to make them more numb, comfortable, and "safe", the worse the accidents are going to become. Now people don't even have to check their blind spots, a sensor does it for them. You can only build a car so safe - and modern cars are so insulated, comfortable, and numb that people think nothing of doing 100mph on their daily commute because it's barely distinguishable from sitting on the couch at home... until they crash at 100mph and it's total carnage. I'm old enough to remember when the majority of highway accidents were one, maybe two cars that shut down a lane and were pretty beat up. Now highway accidents are all hell breaks loose and they have to shut down the entire highway for hours as they scrape together the bits of 9 cars someone just hit at 100mph. It didn't used to be that way, for the most part.
 

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So I will be purchasing a new 2018 gt PP this fall and am kinda torn about this new 10-spd auto coming out. Hearing about all of the camaro stories and expecting that the auto will be quicker (not to mention this getrag i have now 2011 GT has been the worst manual I have ever owned) has me leaning towards the auto for the first time ever since i have been driving sports cars.

Autos have come a long way in the last 20 years and now it looks like they may be converting this die hard manual guy and I am wondering if I am alone or if there is anyone else out there in the same boat.

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Get a built calimer transmission or T56 Magnum swap it. We sell both here at www.lethalperformance.com. Send me a message if you have anymore questions about either.
 

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Sorry to upset you. The image is supposed to be purely symbolic. Visible gates emphasizes the “mechanicality” of the manual transmission.
They just invites you to discover the next gear. For some of us, they can be a part of aesthetics.
Upset? Ha ha. Of course not man. In fact, I'm probably in the minority, not liking driving a gated shifter. Was simply stating my point of view; that's all. But there's no denying they look aesthetically better, and they leave zero doubt there's a manual transmission under them :). I think the Bullitt is the modern interpretation of a gated shifter, with a white cue ball with the 'H pattern' clearly stated, also leaving little doubt it's a manual tranny... but without the clanking, and more satisfying shifting feel :).
 

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There's no doubt about what kind of transmission it operates.

But you'd better be good at 'guiding' the lever from gear to gear . . .


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The only auto that made me think that I could actually own it was the new A10.
It's a great transmission if you want an auto. My wife has one in her Expedition.

For me, it's manual only.
 

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There's no doubt about what kind of transmission it operates.

But you'd better be good at 'guiding' the lever from gear to gear . . .


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Gates look cool, but are really just a crutch for imprecise shift linkage.
 

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On the matter of shift knobs/handles themselves, a right-sized cue ball always felt better than the pistol-grip style, and it worked way better than the T-handles for any driving that wasn't drag racing.

But I think the newer styles have got the cue balls beat because they encourage a grip that works better for downshifting (easier to use more of a palm grip on the side rather than a finger grip over the top).

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Gates look cool, but are really just a crutch for imprecise shift linkage.
This is probably true.
The only vehicle I drove with shift gates on shifter was a T-55 tank during my military service.

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The fully mechanical linkage (no hydraulics) went from driver position all the way back to the engine compartment and it has enormous imprecision.
Even if you hit the right gate, you could sometimes miss the gear.
I can't imagine that mechanism to functioning without the gates.

But - ok - tank is a different animal.
 
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As an European fella, I find it quite funny all U US guys, can get such a rise out of this 'can U drive a stick' thing. Here (in Denmark) probably 95-99% of cars are manual. Until 3 years ago, manuals were mandatory when taking a licence, so everbody can drive stick. Nothing special. Now its possible to take an 'auto-only' licence. But if U later wanna drive a manual, U have to take a new test in a manual.
I looove my manual GT, but I rarely think about it in my work van. For normal driving its just second nature. But in the GT I'm, much more aware about my shifts, especially my heel toe downshifts.
But I also drive around in a rolling thunderstorm, so shifts are much more pronounced.
Yeah, I grew up all over, including Europe, so learned manual as that was the only option. I was surprised to find this mentality at home in the US among some car enthusiasts. The fact that automatics are so prevalent in the US is actually because of how rich we are, road infrastructure as a whole is fantastic and cost of owning an automatic is cheap for us, so most people will opt for it. But then you have some kids thinking they are "special" because they can drive manual as it's not commonplace, and believe that's what makes them "real" car enthusiasts. That's how you get an entire thread about "die hard manual guys", lol. Some of these guys talk about manual like they drive around with the shifter up their ass to feel really connected to the car.
 

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