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I guess I'll have to try it. 275 vs 400 vs 650. Hmm, I wonder how repeatable my coilovers are. At least with the Fortune Auto I can swap springs thru the bottom instead of taking off the camber plate at the top.
Fyi on my CORTEX Jri i ran 650F -800R
Now went up 800-950 With the new aero package. Will test saturday at Sonoma.

One last detail. Lets remember spring and swaybar is a complex that cannot be separated.
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One last detail. Lets remember spring and swaybar is a complex that cannot be separated.
k, so what bar and what rates (ie hole location) are you using?

And any luck with a sweep graph?
 

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k, so what bar and what rates (ie hole location) are you using?

And any luck with a sweep graph?
Cant find the graph.
I was running full stiff eibach front.
And oem rear.
I might test medium front too cause the stiffer setup. We will see :)
 

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Fyi on my CORTEX Jri i ran 650F -800R
Now went up 800-950 With the new aero package. Will test saturday at Sonoma.

One last detail. Lets remember spring and swaybar is a complex that cannot be separated.
Keep in mind that as you start running more an more aero, controlling the front ride height is *much* more important than controlling the rear. Your 950 rate is right in line with the GT4, but it could easily be your original rear spring was sufficient, considering they're running a stronger tire. The overall roll-couple distribution is usually more heavily influenced by the bars than the springs. I try to keep things simple...adjust springs for heave and pitch, bars for roll. I'm curious if you find a difference in powerdown or the ability to ride curbs with the stiffer setup.
 

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I guess I'll have to try it. 275 vs 400 vs 650. Hmm, I wonder how repeatable my coilovers are. At least with the Fortune Auto I can swap springs thru the bottom instead of taking off the camber plate at the top.
I went from somewhere around 275 to 450. The ride is pretty marginal on really rough stuff (it's fine around town in normal life or on the freeway), but the handling feel is pretty damned good. I've got to fit a shorter spring for clearance and 450's aren't available. At present, I think I want a 400 on the street and a 500 on the track. For heavy duty track work, though, I think something in the 600-700# range is appropriate if you have a tire which can support it.
 

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That is correct.
 

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Here's a strange truth. You can put a 900# spring on the tail of damned near any car that ever hits a road course and not be too far off the target. It's an unspoken industry standard. I don't care if it's a Formula Ford, Indycar, sportcar or prototype; 900's won't be too far off. Designers always tend to choose motion ratios which correlate back to a 900 pounder. It's kind of a running joke. Front rates will vary widely, but rears always end up the same.
 

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Here's a strange truth. You can put a 900# spring on the tail of damned near any car that ever hits a road course and not be too far off the target. It's an unspoken industry standard. I don't care if it's a Formula Ford, Indycar, sportcar or prototype; 900's won't be too far off. Designers always tend to choose motion ratios which correlate back to a 900 pounder. It's kind of a running joke. Front rates will vary widely, but rears always end up the same.
900lb/in WHEEL rate? or since many designs use 0.5 motion ratio at the spring, the wheel rate is 0.25 of 900?
 

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900lb/in WHEEL rate? or since many designs use 0.5 motion ratio at the spring, the wheel rate is 0.25 of 900?
No, the actual spring. Don't overthink it. There's zero science involved. If you're ever completely lost, just get a 900#/in spring and put it on the back of the car. It'll be 'in the ballpark.'
 

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Here's a strange truth. You can put a 900# spring on the tail of damned near any car that ever hits a road course and not be too far off the target. It's an unspoken industry standard. I don't care if it's a Formula Ford, Indycar, sportcar or prototype; 900's won't be too far off. Designers always tend to choose motion ratios which correlate back to a 900 pounder. It's kind of a running joke. Front rates will vary widely, but rears always end up the same.
The idea why i went up is based on new DF expectation. So after calculating 150lbs more DF each front wheel i calculated in percentuage the additional load. Amd bought the appropriate new spring rate. The rear followed the same % so if i went 15% more spring in front so i did for the rear.
The idea was to keep the ratio the same.
AJ hartman has a very nice video to how calculate a good spring rate.
 

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Lol!!! Maybe it only applies to an independent suspension. That might be a wee bit stiff on a live rear!
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