Centri Boys, Need Your Wisdom!

[Brad1810r80]

You know way more than what I do way more, BUT on the ESS blower boost for boost the G3 makes more power than the G2. Don't know why, I understand what you're saying that's always been what I've gone off of. That's why I was going to initially op for the G2 but cars with the G3 were performing better at same boost levels so I went for it. Have not been disappointed at all.

not true, it's impossilbe by nature with a centrifugal blower. when you have a blower that is in its peak efficiency at say 25 psi (a centrifugal), and you pulley it for 7 psi. it will never make that power at 7 psi, that a blower that has a 15 psi peak efficiency will.

it's just how the blower works. pullied for the proper boost, it will make more power, yes,

but it's no different than buying a billet ysi, and then pulling it for 7psi. a v3si rated at only 1150 cfm will be quicker every time at that boost level,

pullied for 25 psi. thats a different story

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[Brad1810r80]

All of the these kits paxton/vortech, prochrager, and ESS are great kits. Beefcake has great package pricing on them so they all end up being close to the same price. So there is really no wrong kit to buy just personal preference.

I’ve read the entire thread up until this point and this is the conclusion I came to… with me having an a10 with 3.55’s, I’d be better off with a centri. So my question is, it seems most (in this thread) go with Procharger over Vortech/Paxton. Why is that? Is it better in some aspect?

 

[schmeky]

I went with Beefcake when I bought my PC with P1X, his customer service was great.

I feel confident for years to come I should have no issues with support, replacement parts, etc.

 

[andrewtac]

What kind of permanent modifications?

Cut a couple hoses, the radiator brackets get trimmed, maybe something else.

 

[andrewtac]

All of the these kits paxton/vortech, prochrager, and ESS are great kits. Beefcake has great package pricing on them so they all end up being close to the same price. So there is really no wrong kit to buy just personal preference.

Careful your ESS friends might get you, just kidding. This is correct as far as price, the biggest difference with the vortech and PC is the potential for growth; JTB, YSI, F1 with the same brackets. I think the G3 is the biggest option for ess, more than enough for most people though. Going through beefcake you can get a return system and pumps rolled into the price as well, allowing for more growth.

 

[Brad1810r80]

They offer one more step up from the G3.


Mustang S550 GT G4-95 10PK Tuner Kit (Wholesale Direct) - ESS Tuning

Careful your ESS friends might get you, just kidding. This is correct as far as price, the biggest difference with the vortech and PC is the potential for growth; JTB, YSI, F1 with the same brackets. I think the G3 is the biggest option for ess, more than enough for most people though. Going through beefcake you can get a return system and pumps rolled into the price as well, allowing for more growth.

 

[andrewtac]

They offer one more step up from the G3.


Mustang S550 GT G4-95 10PK Tuner Kit (Wholesale Direct) - ESS Tuning

Disregard then, 2000cfm should make some crazy power.

 

[Cory S]

Disregard then, 2000cfm should make some crazy power.

Only if you pulley it to compress that much volume yes….

 

[beefcake]

I went with Beefcake when I bought my PC with P1X, his customer service was great.

I feel confident for years to come I should have no issues with support, replacement parts, etc.

always!!!!

Careful your ESS friends might get you, just kidding. This is correct as far as price, the biggest difference with the vortech and PC is the potential for growth; JTB, YSI, F1 with the same brackets. I think the G3 is the biggest option for ess, more than enough for most people though. Going through beefcake you can get a return system and pumps rolled into the price as well, allowing for more growth.

most of the time our packages with adding everything you come out ahead, the more you buy, the more we hook it up!

especially the guys that buy kits from us

 

[Jackson1320]

that is actually incorrect.

the entry level v3 jt and 2200 are
Max Speed: 52,000
RPMMax Boost: 27 PSIMax Flow:
1,450 CFMMax Power:
1,000 HPPeak Efficiency: 76%

the ess entry level unit is 1300 cfm and rated at 800hp

the rpm / step up correlate.. the ess will not make boost sooner, it takes more rpm with an ess to make boost, thats why it has a higher max rpm, its designed that way.

all the step ups correlate to what that blower can make.

the ess isn't a bad unit. but for what we do for the guys on the paxton / vortech setups, it's not a better dealer, especially since the entry unit flows more, and has a better intercooler

your 5k for an ess tuner kit with the upgraded intercooler, and only a 1300 cfm blower vs a 1450 paxton / vortech unit on our custom setup for under 6k you also get id1050x and a bap, $1450 more parts included on a 15-17, and just over 6 on an 18 and up.

the 1600 cfm, is rated for apps over 900hp.. why.. because like all centri, when you have a blower designed for high hp, it's lazier at 6-10 psi.

That’s nice but vortech’s entry level kit does not come with a v3 jt it comes with a v3 si and the specs are exactly what I posted. You are comparing the ess old supercharger specs to a upgraded vortech. Easy to make things look in favor of your vendor that way.

 

[ICU812]

As you can see everybody has an opinion. Turbos, Centris, PD blowers all work well on this platform. I have a manual with one blower size larger than a P1x and have not had any real issue with false knock. I am also running a relatively small pulley so I am well into the 900 rwhp range. My car runs very well with no knock, shortage of fuel or oil consumption in e85. Good parts with a good tune is the key. I frequently log my car to monitor it. In addition, I added a crank support, opg/cs and head studs for good measure.
I have no aversion to turbos or PD blowers either as they all work. Find something that fits your budget and intended goal/use and go for it. Personally I went procharger due to simplicity, cost and to compliment my 3.73 Pp1 gear ratio. I have no regrets as my car is a blast to drive and has proven reliable. I will say I don’t have a lot of miles on the car however.

My opinion, spend the cash on getting the power it makes now to the ground with drivetrain and chassis upgrades before you ever think of adding power.
Making tire smoke is only cool for a little while.
YMMV.

After you can get the power it makes now to hook repetedly , then start worrying about adding more power.

 

[andrewtac]

That’s nice but vortech’s entry level kit does not come with a v3 jt it comes with a v3 si and the specs are exactly what I posted. You are comparing the ess old supercharger specs to a upgraded vortech. Easy to make things look in favor of your vendor that way.

His entry level kit is the paxton/v3jt.

 

[beefcake]

That’s nice but vortech’s entry level kit does not come with a v3 jt it comes with a v3 si and the specs are exactly what I posted. You are comparing the ess old supercharger specs to a upgraded vortech. Easy to make things look in favor of your vendor that way.

on the 11-17 we typcially do the paxton kits for most customers, as you get the larger head unit. that said, the v3jt is no additional charge over the v3si. and can be substituted at no charge on the 11-17 cars, the 18 and up , the v3jt is the standard unit.

that said........ for the pump gas guys, that never plan on building a motor, the v3 si will be more efficient at say 8-10psi, as they are closer to their peak efficiency.

again matching the head unit to what you are trying to accomplish is always key. the smaller head unit will make power / torque sooner, as it's closer to its peak efficiency. same thing i said about stuffing a ysi on a car, and pullying it for 6-8 psi, i'ts going to be super lazy, as the compressor is no where near peak efficiency

i do more blowers for coyotes than anyone in the country. were vortech / paxtons largest dealer, whipples 3rd, top 10 procharger, and edelbrock, top 5 vmp.

i eat, breathe , and sleep coyote power adders.

 

[Jackson1320]

His entry level kit is the paxton/v3jt.

His yes but not vortech

 

[Jackson1320]

on the 11-17 we typcially do the paxton kits for most customers, as you get the larger head unit. that said, the v3jt is no additional charge over the v3si. and can be substituted at no charge on the 11-17 cars, the 18 and up , the v3jt is the standard unit.

that said........ for the pump gas guys, that never plan on building a motor, the v3 si will be more efficient at say 8-10psi, as they are closer to their peak efficiency.

again matching the head unit to what you are trying to accomplish is always key. the smaller head unit will make power / torque sooner, as it's closer to its peak efficiency. same thing i said about stuffing a ysi on a car, and pullying it for 6-8 psi, i'ts going to be super lazy, as the compressor is no where near peak efficiency

i do more blowers for coyotes than anyone in the country. were vortech / paxtons largest dealer, whipples 3rd, top 10 procharger, and edelbrock, top 5 vmp.

i eat, breathe , and sleep coyote power adders.

The v3jt might be beefcakes standard unit but as for vortech the standard unit is the v3 sci

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