Bilstein B12

[junits15]

I think the setups are likely very similar

Does the FP kit require camber correction? Or are the parts set up to fix the camber that comes with the drop?

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[shogun32]

You always need camber plates.

The Bilstein is valved with a preloaded stack. The Ford likely has little if any preload.

If your roads are quality, a preloaded stack works very well. Like in WV.

If you live in a war zone, aka Chicago, NYC, Detroit where pavement integrity is so bad even tracked vehicles would take a detour, the Ford is more responsive

If you hit a bump that is below the blowoff threshold of the Bilstein valving you will feel the bump. Previous poster's staccato bump sequence is an example of this.

The Ford damper is likely valved light. But it also means it doesn't do well to control pitch changes aka body roll.

 

[nicksalvadore24]

You always need camber plates.

Is this really true? I can’t believe how camber bolts wouldn’t suffice for a 1” drop for example. Obviously camber plates are the better solution ($$) especially if the car is tracked and you want frequent adjustability, but I don’t understand how BMR camber bolts for example couldn’t get camber back in alignment since they have +/-2.5 degrees of adjustability

 

[shogun32]

can’t believe how camber bolts wouldn’t suffice f

I don't consider camber bolts to be a solution

 

[nicksalvadore24]

I don't consider camber bolts to be a solution

Care to elaborate

 

[shogun32]

Care to elaborate

Bolts are known to move.

And in a world where camber plates exist, why would you choose a simple $40 solution over a $200+?

 

[nicksalvadore24]

Bolts are known to move.

And in a world where camber plates exist, why would you choose a simple $40 solution over a $200+?

I hear ya. I wish Steeda offered the Bilstein B6 + springs assembled package with camber plates…

 

[K4fxd]

A one inch drop will keep the camber under -2 degrees. That is fine for street use.

 

[junits15]

You always need camber plates.

The Bilstein is valved with a preloaded stack. The Ford likely has little if any preload.

If your roads are quality, a preloaded stack works very well. Like in WV.

If you live in a war zone, aka Chicago, NYC, Detroit where pavement integrity is so bad even tracked vehicles would take a detour, the Ford is more responsive

If you hit a bump that is below the blowoff threshold of the Bilstein valving you will feel the bump. Previous poster's staccato bump sequence is an example of this.

The Ford damper is likely valved light. But it also means it doesn't do well to control pitch changes aka body roll.

Interesting! Thanks for this reply things the type of info I was hoping to find
Roads are tough around me, I guess now it’s up to me to decide if the extra control in corners is worth the harsher ride on rough roads

When you say preload you mean that the whole assembly is under tension with the suspension fully decompressed? Just so I can learn what in the b13 spec let you know that was how it’s set up?

 

[IPOGT]

Had B6 full set on Ford X springs for my 2016 GT A6 with PP1 wheels. Can’t more highly recommend for street track sporty combo. Was truly happy with that.

 

[shogun32]

When you say preload you mean that the whole assembly is under tension with the suspension fully decompressed?

No it means the shims are slightly bent when secured to the piston face.

Given identical shim stacks, a preloaded one will resist initial oil flow for longer; has a higher threshold of force.

 

[S550HPP]

You always need camber plates.

The Bilstein is valved with a preloaded stack. The Ford likely has little if any preload.

If your roads are quality, a preloaded stack works very well. Like in WV.

If you live in a war zone, aka Chicago, NYC, Detroit where pavement integrity is so bad even tracked vehicles would take a detour, the Ford is more responsive

If you hit a bump that is below the blowoff threshold of the Bilstein valving you will feel the bump. Previous poster's staccato bump sequence is an example of this.

The Ford damper is likely valved light. But it also means it doesn't do well to control pitch changes aka body roll.

Are referring to Ford Track? Better then B6 on small and sharp bumps at low speed?

 

[shogun32]

Yes Track. The Street is utter garbage. It's the junk they put on PP1 cars.

Yes the Ford is softer across the board. I personally prefer a more tactile response from my suspension. If there was a bump I want to know it was there. Not toss me out of my seat, mind. Nor pretend there was no bump.

Firm yet supple.

 

[LOL WUT]

I hear ya. I wish Steeda offered the Bilstein B6 + springs assembled package with camber plates…

They do…. https://www.steeda.com/steeda-555-2423-s550-lowering-springs-bilstein-dampers

It’s what I’ll be going with.

 

[nicksalvadore24]

They do…. https://www.steeda.com/steeda-555-2423-s550-lowering-springs-bilstein-dampers

It’s what I’ll be going with.

Well clearly I’m just blind

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