Anyone waiting for 2.7L EB?

[USPSALIMITED]

Sooner than later on that 3.5L EB, I hope.

BMW's 3.5 L inline 6 turbo is just a crazy nice motor that gets something like 30 mpg highway and is a joy to listen to. Not the v8 sound but a great sound in its own right (and it gurgles between shifts!!).

A Mustang with this spec motor would have had my vote, but I don't know that it would have been a smart move for Ford as they already had solid choices and each motor has its dedicated fans.

Hmmm, maybe I also need a new pickup truck .

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[Tim Hilliard]

The only thing the 99F 5.0 is being replaced with is the 99Z 5.2

Drive the '15 F150 with the 2.7 and you will see how perfectly it slots in between the Base Entry Level 2.3 and the High End 5.0.2. Ford would be thrilled if everyone started buying non V8 Mustangs. The V8 is costly to build physically and politically.

 

[zackmd1]

My theory...

So I have a theory for what the engine lineup will be in the next refresh. My theory also explains why Ford is trying to kill the 3.7 in this generation.

MY18-19 Refresh Engine Lineup:

Base: EcoBoost 2.3L 330-340hp 23mpg city 36-38mpg highway (10 speed auto)
GT: 2.7 or revised 3.5 EcoBoost V6 440-450hp 19-20mpg city 30-32mpg highway (10 speed auto)
Mach 1: 5.0 V8 475-500hp 16mpg city 26-29mpg highway (10 speed auto)
Specialty Mustang (GT350/Cobra): 5.2 supercharged V8 650-700hp

THIS IS JUST MY THEORY

 

[Wblv17]

v8 or go home

 

[Wblv17]

So I have a theory for what the engine lineup will be in the next refresh. My theory also explains why Ford is trying to kill the 3.7 in this generation.

MY18-19 Refresh Engine Lineup:

Base: EcoBoost 2.3L 330-340hp 23mpg city 36-38mpg highway (10 speed auto)
GT: 2.7 or revised 3.5 EcoBoost V6 440-450hp 19-20mpg city 30-32mpg highway (10 speed auto)
Mach 1: 5.0 V8 475-500hp 16mpg city 26-29mpg highway (10 speed auto)
Specialty Mustang (GT350/Cobra): 5.2 supercharged V8 650-700hp

THIS IS JUST MY THEORY

the 3.7 will be here for the until 2017000

 

[zackmd1]

the 3.7 will be here for the until 2017000

huh? I expect the 3.7 to stay around at least 2-3 years with it being discontinued a year or so before the refresh.

 

[DivineStrike]

So I have a theory for what the engine lineup will be in the next refresh. My theory also explains why Ford is trying to kill the 3.7 in this generation.

MY18-19 Refresh Engine Lineup:

Base: EcoBoost 2.3L 330-340hp 23mpg city 36-38mpg highway (10 speed auto)
GT: 2.7 or revised 3.5 EcoBoost V6 440-450hp 19-20mpg city 30-32mpg highway (10 speed auto)
Mach 1: 5.0 V8 475-500hp 16mpg city 26-29mpg highway (10 speed auto)
Specialty Mustang (GT350/Cobra): 5.2 supercharged V8 650-700hp

THIS IS JUST MY THEORY

I just don't see this as realistic this soon. Maybe later down the road, but I don't think Ford or the Consumer is ready to get rid of the V8 for high volume vehicles.

One thing I could see is if Chevy's turbo4 is less than 300hp. Is Ford could drop to a 2.0 EB (around 300hp) for the base model, introduce the 2.7 EB at around 350-370hp. Then either an upgraded coyote or new DI V8 with 450+ for the GT.

Another thing to consider is that I would think it unlikely for Ford to offer 3 engines once they get rid of the 3.7. In recent history (the past 2 decades) when was the last time Ford offered more than 2 engines on the Mustang. Excluding the new s550 obviously.

 

[Wblv17]

nope, sounds like a pipe dream

 

[zackmd1]

I just don't see this as realistic this soon. Maybe later down the road, but I don't think Ford or the Consumer is ready to get rid of the V8 for high volume vehicles.

One thing I could see is if Chevy's turbo4 is less than 300hp. Is Ford could drop to a 2.0 EB (around 300hp) for the base model, introduce the 2.7 EB at around 350-370hp. Then either an upgraded coyote or new DI V8 with 450+ for the GT.

Another thing to consider is that I would think it unlikely for Ford to offer 3 engines once they get rid of the 3.7. In recent history (the past 2 decades) when was the last time Ford offered more than 2 engines on the Mustang. Excluding the new s550 obviously.

Well the key here is CAFE.... By 2025 Ford's fleet mpg must be 54.5mpg. So unless ford comes out with some crazy hybrids to bump up it's numbers I doubt the V8 will survive the next refresh as a high volume engine.

The other key here is the fact that the mustang is global now. Having a 2.7l GT would make it much more affordable overseas where there are high taxes based on engine displacement.

 

[DivineStrike]

Well the key here is CAFE.... By 2025 Ford's fleet mpg must be 54.5mpg. So unless ford comes out with some crazy hybrids to bump up it's numbers I doubt the V8 will survive the next refresh as a high volume engine.

The other key here is the fact that the mustang is global now. Having a 2.7l GT would make it much more affordable overseas where there are high taxes based on engine displacement.

Please define what you mean by refresh. A refresh will happen in 2 to 3 years. The V8 will last just fine past then. It still has DI to improve it. Plus if they were to add the 2.7 and keep a 3 engine lineup it would definitely eat some v8 sales but it would improve the cafe. Either way they will be selling plenty of mustangs. Just depends on if the brains at Ford consider a 3 engine lineup more profitable than a 2 engine lineup when the time comes to drop the 3.7

If you mean redesign, I can agree with you as that would happen in about 8 years or so

As for overseas yes to make it affordable you need a low displacement engine. That's what the 2.3 is for. That said a lot of the appeal for some Europeans is it being a car with an American v8, with a touch of Euro style. If they keep the v8 it will be a unique car that is more affordable than anything else with a v8 in a world full of turbo v6's

 

[Jimdohc]

Good points... seems like 54.5mpg is going to be difficult.

I'm not sure about 2.7EB. At first I was all in. Thought it would be great. But 2.3EB was designed for Mustang. Would be a shame to drop it. If they could make 3.0EB based off 2.7 or 3.5 it might fit better into the lineup.

I think Team Mustang could add a 2.0EB and keep 2.3EB, ~270hp & ~310hp. A few more aluminum parts would help MPG over all models and keep a 270hp 2.0EB spirited. Plus, 2.0EB could have lightweight lower horsepower rated transmission, driveshaft, differential (7.5"?), half shafts, rear subframe etc... All in 25 city/37 hwy from 270hp & -250lbs is reasonable goal.

2.0EB 270hp, 3.7 price point- modifications limited by drivetrain would keep it under 300hp.
2.3EB 310hp, same- tuner friendly to ~380hp? on stock turbo & fuel system
3.0EB 400hp, GT base price- tuner friendly to ~490hp on stock turbo & fuel system

5.0NA 460hp DI, Base dropped resulting in effective price increase, done to limit sales & improve MPG averages, All GT come Premium spec but just called GT. leather, 12 speaker & navi optional- ~700hp w/ aftermarket supercharger.
5.2NA 520hp limited production, ~560hp with reasonable aftermarket upgrades.
???EB/supercharged 720hp limited production

good example of aluminum vs steel parts. don't need to redesign the whole car. just a few key parts.

 

[zackmd1]

Please define what you mean by refresh. A refresh will happen in 2 to 3 years. The V8 will last just fine past then. It still has DI to improve it. Plus if they were to add the 2.7 and keep a 3 engine lineup it would definitely eat some v8 sales but it would improve the cafe. Either way they will be selling plenty of mustangs. Just depends on if the brains at Ford consider a 3 engine lineup more profitable than a 2 engine lineup when the time comes to drop the 3.7

If you mean redesign, I can agree with you as that would happen in about 8 years or so

As for overseas yes to make it affordable you need a low displacement engine. That's what the 2.3 is for. That said a lot of the appeal for some Europeans is it being a car with an American v8, with a touch of Euro style. If they keep the v8 it will be a unique car that is more affordable than anything else with a v8 in a world full of turbo v6's

I don't think we are going to see a MY13 style refresh in the s550 so soon. So I am referring to the 2010-2011 redesign for the s197 as a starting point. It all really depends on how Ford wants to handle CAFE. They could wait right up tell 2025 to introduce this engine lineup but I feel it will be done closer to the 2020MY. The oddball here is if Ford creates a hybrid mustang. Just think about that for a second.... A powertrain similar to the BMW I8. Ford's 1l EcoBoost with an electric engine in tandem to provide 365hp and over 400 ft/tq.... All while providing 70-90 mpg. That would be my definition of how to curve the mpg ratings of the mustang in order to keep the V8 as a high volume production engine.