700+ hp 5.2L flatplane voodoo

[Voodooo]

I seen those before also. But ITB are not needed also. You are making this more difficult then it needs to be.

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[Darkane]

See porting options at the bottom of the page...

http://www.modularmotorsportsracing...ge=product_info&cPath=4_30_34&products_id=841

And these could help...

*http://www.modularmotorsportsracing...in_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=850

I'd be real curious to see those heads on an otherwise stock voodoo.

Maybe I'll call MMR tomorrow and see if they'll give flow bench numbers. Seeing how the factory head is CNC ported already.

I know a stock coyote head flows right around 300. I read an article where the port and polish made around 330 cfm, 10%. A voodoo head should flow X better than a coyote head out of the box. I thought a thread I read on that other forum claimed a 4% increase factory to factory over boss302R heads.

Anyway fun stuff.

 

[Voodooo]

I too am curious of what a bone stock voodoo head flows and at what lift. We already know the stock cams are limited to 14mm / .551 lift but does anyone know the duration and overlap? On a stock voodoo the restrictions are intake and throttle body. Power is to be had if other options were available. I wish ford performance wouldn't talk shit about the 100mm throttle body they mentioned months ago. Last week I asked them about the 100mm tb and he had no idea what I was talking about, or he just didn't want to talk about it.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

I seen those before also. But ITB are not needed also. You are making this more difficult then it needs to be.

Touche :cheers:

 

[Voodooo]

Touche :cheers:

I need to ask you a serious question please. What are your doubts? If a 5.0 roadrunner boss engine can do it why do you think it's Unheard of for a voodoo that has 15 more cubic inches, a better base head and crank? The boss does it with a cobra jet intake and mono blade tb.

 

[Screamer]

Coyote intake manifold shootout..


http://www.stangtv.com/tech-stories...old-shootout-gt-gt350-boss-302-and-cobra-jet/

 

[Voodooo]

JPC built the 700hp boss on the other forum with a cobra jet intake.
https://m.facebook.com/JPCRacing/posts/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=1

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

I need to ask you a serious question please. What are your doubts? If a 5.0 roadrunner boss engine can do it why do you think it's Unheard of for a voodoo that has 15 more cubic inches, a better base head and crank? The boss does it with a cobra jet intake and mono blade tb.

My doubts are far fewer than when we first started this conversation. However, as a professional industrial designer that plans projects with similar goals to yours, it is my mindset that any project should have allowances for perceived liabilities. That said, my first instinct is always to test the limits of convention in the conceptual stage.

My perception is not perfect, and your examples* have thoroughly convinced me to let go of some of my more exotic concepts. Furthermore, I think you are correct to base your expectations on proven builds. My only reservation is concerning the wholistic performance of those builds, the nature in which the results were obtained, the totality of the power curve (as opposed to the singular peak output), as well as the longevity of the final product.

I guess a few qualifying questions are in order, as our expectations of the output may not be in line.

What range are you expecting to produce sufficient power. 3500-9000rpm? 6500-9500rpm?

Is this a car you plan to drive on the street regularly, a weekend warrior, or a track car?

How many miles (or track hours) would you like to drive between teardowns?

Are you looking to maintain the stock GT350 hood?

Have you considered shorter exhaust runners (24-32in) for your headers, and furthermore are you open to an equal length design if it could fit without modifications to the engine bay constraints?

I hope you take the questions as a reflection of my genuine interest in your satisfaction, and not otherwise as further arguments in logic. I would love to see this build happen, and though I value my own opinions (right, wrong or indifferent), it is my highest hope that you are able to meet your goals in a way that suits your interests, not mine.

I hope this clears things up :cheers:

 

[stanglife]

Not buying or believing anything from MMR.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Not buying or believing anything from MMR.

Would you care to expand on this?

 

[stanglife]

Would you care to expand on this?

Not really except to suggest a little "googling" prior to dropping a ton of money. You will easily find experiences from previous customers. Like anything in life, buyer beware.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Not really except to suggest a little "googling" prior to dropping a ton of money. You will easily find experiences from previous customers. Like anything in life, buyer beware.

I just researched them and the only negative reviews I could find were from people who don't understand how business works. Tier 3 Suppliers are not Walmart, nor do they invest in shipment reimbursement or tier 4 QA documentation protocols. Furthermore, every complaint I saw within my hour of research was (at best) dramatized, and many were nearly incoherent. These reviews were juxtaposed by many positive reviews from people who had a reasonable understanding of the English language and common business practices.

If you are going to disparage a small business which relies on word of mouth testimonials within the community, could please at least provide some references which support your claim?

 

[stanglife]

I just researched them and the only negative reviews I could find were from people who don't understand how business works. Tier 3 Suppliers are not Walmart, nor do they invest in shipment reimbursement or tier 4 QA documentation protocols. Furthermore, every complaint I saw within my hour of research was (at best) dramatized, and many were nearly incoherent. These reviews were juxtaposed by many positive reviews from people who had a reasonable understanding of the English language and common business practices.

If you are going to disparage a small business which relies on word of mouth testimonials within the community, could please at least provide some references which support your claim?

Ok, so you found plenty of bad reviews but dismiss them because the grammar or punctuation is off? Does that automatically invalidate any data for you? This is my opinion after being involved with the Mustang community for the last 20 years. I encourage others to form their own opinions if their peers experiences are so questionable.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mmr+mustang+scam

I spent 30 seconds finding plenty of past examples. I have a particular one of my own but having this conversation wasn't my intent. As not to totally derail this thread, I'll just...again...suggest the obvious. Do some research before you spend money with any company online - regardless of what someone (me) on a forum tells you. I'd say that's a good takeaway and a great place to end this side-step.

To add a little bit of on-topic discussion. I like Livernois for a project like this. I like their engineered approach to everything and I think if anyone could get close to this goal, they would be the ones.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Ok, so you found plenty of bad reviews but dismiss them because the grammar or punctuation is off? Does that automatically invalidate any data for you? This is my opinion after being involved with the Mustang community for the last 20 years. I encourage others to form their own opinions if their peers experiences are so questionable.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mmr+mustang+scam

I spent 30 seconds finding plenty of past examples. I have a particular one of my own but having this conversation wasn't my intent. As not to totally derail this thread, I'll just...again...suggest the obvious. Do some research before you spend money with any company online - regardless of what someone (me) on a forum tells you. I'd say that's a good takeaway and a great place to end this side-step.

To add a little bit of on-topic discussion. I like Livernois for a project like this. I like their engineered approach to everything and I think if anyone could get close to this goal, they would be the ones.

Apparently I was wrong. I did not dig deep enough.

I appreciate your effort. I found this particular link informative:

http://forums.corral.net/forums/lou...s-fraud-charges.html#/topics/982537?_k=sp4j44

I think I may investigate this further.

I hope you understand my skepticism. I have built a lot of experience building precision machinery and generally, my opinion is that the customers are usually to blame for precision spec order issues. However, it would seem there are systemic issues that stem from the top down (owner) that make ordering assemblies from MMR a bit of a coin flip. Still, I think I will contact MMR personally to get the other side of the story.

That said, if livernoise is offering a comparable product today, they will be my proferred vendor.

Thank you for the 411. :clap2:

 

[stanglife]

Apparently I was wrong. I did not dig deep enough.

I appreciate your effort. I found this particular link informative:

http://forums.corral.net/forums/lou...s-fraud-charges.html#/topics/982537?_k=sp4j44

I think I may investigate this further.

I hope you understand my skepticism. I have built a lot of experience building precision machinery and generally, my opinion is that the customers are usually to blame for precision spec order issues. However, it would seem there are systemic issues that stem from the top down (owner) that make ordering assemblies from MMR a bit of a coin flip. Still, I think I will contact MMR personally to get the other side of the story.

That said, if livernoise is offering a comparable product today, they will be my proferred vendor.

Thank you for the 411. :clap2:

Oh, I understand - that's why I ended up deferring to Google on this.

Wish you guys luck. It's interesting but personally, I wouldn't want to give up what civility the engine has to achieve this.

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